jan larsen wrote: There are however an overwhelming lot of psychiatrists that would disagree on violence as an educational tool. My experience with psychiatrists leaves me feeing overwhelmingly that they have little in the way of sensible advice to offer. jan larsen wrote: And why would it be a hindrance to comment on the subject just because I don't have children myself (yet), I mean, following that thread wouldn't that make it illegal to discuss politics or religion unless your'e a politician or a priest?. Of course not. However, you should not comment unless you have participated in politics or religion, unless you knowingly do it as an outsider who is asking to have something explained, not claiming to know. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002