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  • N Nish Nishant

    VB.NET supports by-ref extension methods. As of 4.0, C# does not.

    Regards, Nish


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    PIEBALDconsult
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    Well the VB designers got Extension Methods right, the C# designers really screwed up big time. Extension Methods should be by attribute in both languages.

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    • P PIEBALDconsult

      Fixed, thanks.

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      AspDotNetDev
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      Doesn't look fixed to me. Methinks you need to get the permalink from whatever message you are linking to.

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      • N Nemanja Trifunovic

        AspDotNetDev wrote:

        Maybe "End Sub" makes the code easier to read to somebody not initiated with the language, but it doesn't make the code any easier to write

        Which is a reasonable trade-off. You write code once and read it many times. Besides, with any decent editor, it is a non-issue.

        AspDotNetDev wrote:

        if (true)
        {

        I see unnecessary and confusing symbols here. For instance in Go, it would be something like:

        if true {

        Or (even better) in ML:

        if true then

        utf8-cpp

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        PIEBALDconsult
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        #41

        Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

        AspDotNetDev wrote:

        if (true)
        {

        If I had my way (and I don't), the braces would be mandatory and the parentheses would be optional.

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        • N Nemanja Trifunovic

          AspDotNetDev wrote:

          It is faster to read "{}" than "Then End If",

          Kind of. End If closes the block after If and that's it. To get what } does you need to be aware of the scope - sometimes even to scroll up a couple of pages. Sure, a good editor helps, but as far as a language goes I like End If better.

          utf8-cpp

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          PIEBALDconsult
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          #42

          See what happens when you remove all the newlines. Readable?

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          • A AspDotNetDev

            Doesn't look fixed to me. Methinks you need to get the permalink from whatever message you are linking to.

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            PIEBALDconsult
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            #43

            My post "Here's something else VB can't do".

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            • P PIEBALDconsult

              My post "Here's something else VB can't do".

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              AspDotNetDev
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              Ah, link.

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              • A AspDotNetDev

                There hasn't been a good "why language X sucks and language Y is better" thread in a good while, so I thought I'd start one. Unlike most, however, this one has rules. I will post a reason C# is better than VB.NET and somebody reply with a reason VB.NET is better than C#. I (or somebody else) will then reply to that message stating another reason C# is better. And so on. Also, you must show code examples (when appropriate). I'll start. C# Is Less Verbose

                Public Sub Something()
                ' VB.NET...
                End Sub

                public void Something()
                {
                // C#...
                }

                You're turn (post why VB.NET is better than C#). :)

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                Michael Kingsford Gray
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                VB is better because I use it more often, and have more experience with it than C#. Do I get points for honesty?

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                • A AspDotNetDev

                  There hasn't been a good "why language X sucks and language Y is better" thread in a good while, so I thought I'd start one. Unlike most, however, this one has rules. I will post a reason C# is better than VB.NET and somebody reply with a reason VB.NET is better than C#. I (or somebody else) will then reply to that message stating another reason C# is better. And so on. Also, you must show code examples (when appropriate). I'll start. C# Is Less Verbose

                  Public Sub Something()
                  ' VB.NET...
                  End Sub

                  public void Something()
                  {
                  // C#...
                  }

                  You're turn (post why VB.NET is better than C#). :)

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                  hairy_hats
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                  #46

                  AspDotNetDev wrote:

                  You're turn

                  Am I? ;P

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                  • A AspDotNetDev

                    That's pretty neat! But you can actually get pretty close to that in C#:

                    var steps = new List<Func<bool>> { Step1, Step2, Step3 };
                    foreach (var step in steps)
                    {
                    if (!step()) break;
                    }

                    And if you create this helper function:

                    void DoEach(params Func<bool>[] steps)
                    {
                    foreach (var step in steps)
                    {
                    if (!step()) break;
                    }
                    }

                    You can shorten that code even further:

                    DoEach(new Func<bool>[] {
                    Step1,
                    Step2,
                    Step3
                    });

                    Got to love delegate inference! Not sure, but I think there's something in LINQ that does something like this as well. Can't be bothered to try and find it now though.

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                    the Kris
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                    #47

                    This can much shorter! Step1() && Step2() && Step3();

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                    • N Nish Nishant

                      Oh sorry, it's so well known that I didn't think you'd need code to back it up :-) See this blog post: http://blog.gadodia.net/extension-methods-in-vbnet-and-c/[^]

                      Regards, Nish


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                      Rob Grainger
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                      Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                      Oh sorry, it's so well known that I didn't think you'd need code to back it up

                      maybe in your part of the world - I've been using C# and VB for years but never came across this. Why you'd want to do it in a well designed program is questionable, but maybe there is a good reason somewhere.

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                      • A AspDotNetDev

                        I'll give an example reply as well... VB.NET is Backward Compatible with VB6

                        On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
                        Throw New Exception("Error!")
                        Return
                        

                        ErrorHandler:
                        MessageBox.Show("Darn!")

                        C# does not have this handy backward compatibility, so upgrading from VB6 is more difficult when going to C#.

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                        coding4ever
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                        AspDotNetDev wrote:

                        VB.NET is Backward Compatible with VB6

                        And this is supposed to be a good thing? ;P Though I will give you props for actually using an ErrorHandler and not simply going with On Error Resume Next like my predecessor did.

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                        • H hairy_hats

                          AspDotNetDev wrote:

                          You're turn

                          Am I? ;P

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                          raducu1
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                          In VB.NET:

                          With longDescriptiveObjectName
                          .prop1 = ...
                          .prop2 = ...
                          .prop3 = ...
                          end with

                          In C#:

                          longDescriptiveObjectName.prop1 = ...
                          longDescriptiveObjectName.prop2 = ...
                          longDescriptiveObjectName.prop3 = ...

                          Which one is more verbose, then ?

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                          • H hairy_hats

                            AspDotNetDev wrote:

                            You're turn

                            Am I? ;P

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                            raducu1
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                            #51

                            Yes, you are VERY turn ! :((

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                            • N Nish Nishant

                              The VB Select-Case is more flexible than just that. Example from MSDN:

                              Dim number As Integer = 8
                              Select Case number
                              Case 1 To 5
                              Debug.WriteLine("Between 1 and 5, inclusive")
                              ' The following is the only Case clause that evaluates to True.
                              Case 6, 7, 8
                              Debug.WriteLine("Between 6 and 8, inclusive")
                              Case 9 To 10
                              Debug.WriteLine("Equal to 9 or 10")
                              Case Else
                              Debug.WriteLine("Not between 1 and 10, inclusive")
                              End Select

                              Regards, Nish


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                              Rick Shaub
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                              In C# you can use fall through cases for that in C#.

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                              • H hairy_hats

                                AspDotNetDev wrote:

                                You're turn

                                Am I? ;P

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                                raducu1
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                                #53

                                Again. if a=b { do something } What's unclear here ? However, the compiler stops me with the question - do you want to assign b to a ? No, I don't. Isn't it obvious what I want to do ? VB doesn't need this handholding. Also, why do I need to type if (a=b) { do something } and what do those fing paranthesis do there ? If I wanted to better delimit the clauses, for human eyes benefit only, I would do that, as in, say, if ((a=b) && (c=d)) { } Also... operators. I really don't care how awkwardly they were named in C, C++, etc, but really, people, baggage should NOT be carried forward && instead of AND ? || instead of OR ? != instead of <> ! instead of NOT ? No, really, what am I ? A compiler ? My hands won't fall off if I type (cond1) AND (cond2) instead of (cond1) && (cond2). There's one extra character and it's so much clearer ! Why do so many people love cryptic code ? It's not like the writer of that code will seem to be any smarter ! Also, the compiler stops and hits me with a brick saying that in the line variable1 = "abc" variable2 = 5; I have missed the ending ; on the first line. Well... if you compiler are so sure about my missing of that fing semicolon, why don't you put it there ? Warn me, color it bright red, make it blink, but put it there if you are so sure I've missed it. Help me a bit. I write in C#, and I really like it, don't get me wrong. But that doesn't make me not see these (and others) things.

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                                • A AspDotNetDev

                                  There hasn't been a good "why language X sucks and language Y is better" thread in a good while, so I thought I'd start one. Unlike most, however, this one has rules. I will post a reason C# is better than VB.NET and somebody reply with a reason VB.NET is better than C#. I (or somebody else) will then reply to that message stating another reason C# is better. And so on. Also, you must show code examples (when appropriate). I'll start. C# Is Less Verbose

                                  Public Sub Something()
                                  ' VB.NET...
                                  End Sub

                                  public void Something()
                                  {
                                  // C#...
                                  }

                                  You're turn (post why VB.NET is better than C#). :)

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                                  frattaro
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                                  Ever tried writing dynamic (X/HT)ML?

                                  Dim header =

                                  <%= publicationdate %>

                                  That's a lot easier than anything in C#. Stringbuilders, XMLwriters, whatever... doesn't beat VB.NET's XML Literals.

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                                  • A AspDotNetDev

                                    There hasn't been a good "why language X sucks and language Y is better" thread in a good while, so I thought I'd start one. Unlike most, however, this one has rules. I will post a reason C# is better than VB.NET and somebody reply with a reason VB.NET is better than C#. I (or somebody else) will then reply to that message stating another reason C# is better. And so on. Also, you must show code examples (when appropriate). I'll start. C# Is Less Verbose

                                    Public Sub Something()
                                    ' VB.NET...
                                    End Sub

                                    public void Something()
                                    {
                                    // C#...
                                    }

                                    You're turn (post why VB.NET is better than C#). :)

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                                    Smohd5
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                                    Your code snippet shows they are equal because the code are generated by the IDE

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                                    • C coding4ever

                                      AspDotNetDev wrote:

                                      VB.NET is Backward Compatible with VB6

                                      And this is supposed to be a good thing? ;P Though I will give you props for actually using an ErrorHandler and not simply going with On Error Resume Next like my predecessor did.

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                                      Sterling Camden independent consultant
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                                      And actually, it isn't. Migrating VB6 code to VB.NET can be a royal pain, and usually ends up as a rewrite (in C#).

                                      Contains coding, but not narcotic.

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                                      • A AspDotNetDev

                                        I'll give an example reply as well... VB.NET is Backward Compatible with VB6

                                        On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
                                        Throw New Exception("Error!")
                                        Return
                                        

                                        ErrorHandler:
                                        MessageBox.Show("Darn!")

                                        C# does not have this handy backward compatibility, so upgrading from VB6 is more difficult when going to C#.

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                                        programmervb netc
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                                        He said post something that makes it better just kidding. Humble Programmer

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                                        • T the Kris

                                          This can much shorter! Step1() && Step2() && Step3();

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                                          AspDotNetDev
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                                          True, but it can only be used with a boolean value. The others can work with non-boolean values.

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