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  • P PIEBALDconsult

    My post "Here's something else VB can't do".

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    AspDotNetDev
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    Ah, link.

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    • A AspDotNetDev

      There hasn't been a good "why language X sucks and language Y is better" thread in a good while, so I thought I'd start one. Unlike most, however, this one has rules. I will post a reason C# is better than VB.NET and somebody reply with a reason VB.NET is better than C#. I (or somebody else) will then reply to that message stating another reason C# is better. And so on. Also, you must show code examples (when appropriate). I'll start. C# Is Less Verbose

      Public Sub Something()
      ' VB.NET...
      End Sub

      public void Something()
      {
      // C#...
      }

      You're turn (post why VB.NET is better than C#). :)

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      Michael Kingsford Gray
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      VB is better because I use it more often, and have more experience with it than C#. Do I get points for honesty?

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      • A AspDotNetDev

        There hasn't been a good "why language X sucks and language Y is better" thread in a good while, so I thought I'd start one. Unlike most, however, this one has rules. I will post a reason C# is better than VB.NET and somebody reply with a reason VB.NET is better than C#. I (or somebody else) will then reply to that message stating another reason C# is better. And so on. Also, you must show code examples (when appropriate). I'll start. C# Is Less Verbose

        Public Sub Something()
        ' VB.NET...
        End Sub

        public void Something()
        {
        // C#...
        }

        You're turn (post why VB.NET is better than C#). :)

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        hairy_hats
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        AspDotNetDev wrote:

        You're turn

        Am I? ;P

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        • A AspDotNetDev

          That's pretty neat! But you can actually get pretty close to that in C#:

          var steps = new List<Func<bool>> { Step1, Step2, Step3 };
          foreach (var step in steps)
          {
          if (!step()) break;
          }

          And if you create this helper function:

          void DoEach(params Func<bool>[] steps)
          {
          foreach (var step in steps)
          {
          if (!step()) break;
          }
          }

          You can shorten that code even further:

          DoEach(new Func<bool>[] {
          Step1,
          Step2,
          Step3
          });

          Got to love delegate inference! Not sure, but I think there's something in LINQ that does something like this as well. Can't be bothered to try and find it now though.

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          the Kris
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          This can much shorter! Step1() && Step2() && Step3();

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          • N Nish Nishant

            Oh sorry, it's so well known that I didn't think you'd need code to back it up :-) See this blog post: http://blog.gadodia.net/extension-methods-in-vbnet-and-c/[^]

            Regards, Nish


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            Rob Grainger
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            Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

            Oh sorry, it's so well known that I didn't think you'd need code to back it up

            maybe in your part of the world - I've been using C# and VB for years but never came across this. Why you'd want to do it in a well designed program is questionable, but maybe there is a good reason somewhere.

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            • A AspDotNetDev

              I'll give an example reply as well... VB.NET is Backward Compatible with VB6

              On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
              Throw New Exception("Error!")
              Return
              

              ErrorHandler:
              MessageBox.Show("Darn!")

              C# does not have this handy backward compatibility, so upgrading from VB6 is more difficult when going to C#.

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              coding4ever
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              AspDotNetDev wrote:

              VB.NET is Backward Compatible with VB6

              And this is supposed to be a good thing? ;P Though I will give you props for actually using an ErrorHandler and not simply going with On Error Resume Next like my predecessor did.

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              • H hairy_hats

                AspDotNetDev wrote:

                You're turn

                Am I? ;P

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                raducu1
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                In VB.NET:

                With longDescriptiveObjectName
                .prop1 = ...
                .prop2 = ...
                .prop3 = ...
                end with

                In C#:

                longDescriptiveObjectName.prop1 = ...
                longDescriptiveObjectName.prop2 = ...
                longDescriptiveObjectName.prop3 = ...

                Which one is more verbose, then ?

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                • H hairy_hats

                  AspDotNetDev wrote:

                  You're turn

                  Am I? ;P

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                  raducu1
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                  Yes, you are VERY turn ! :((

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                  • N Nish Nishant

                    The VB Select-Case is more flexible than just that. Example from MSDN:

                    Dim number As Integer = 8
                    Select Case number
                    Case 1 To 5
                    Debug.WriteLine("Between 1 and 5, inclusive")
                    ' The following is the only Case clause that evaluates to True.
                    Case 6, 7, 8
                    Debug.WriteLine("Between 6 and 8, inclusive")
                    Case 9 To 10
                    Debug.WriteLine("Equal to 9 or 10")
                    Case Else
                    Debug.WriteLine("Not between 1 and 10, inclusive")
                    End Select

                    Regards, Nish


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                    Rick Shaub
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                    In C# you can use fall through cases for that in C#.

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                    • H hairy_hats

                      AspDotNetDev wrote:

                      You're turn

                      Am I? ;P

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                      raducu1
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                      Again. if a=b { do something } What's unclear here ? However, the compiler stops me with the question - do you want to assign b to a ? No, I don't. Isn't it obvious what I want to do ? VB doesn't need this handholding. Also, why do I need to type if (a=b) { do something } and what do those fing paranthesis do there ? If I wanted to better delimit the clauses, for human eyes benefit only, I would do that, as in, say, if ((a=b) && (c=d)) { } Also... operators. I really don't care how awkwardly they were named in C, C++, etc, but really, people, baggage should NOT be carried forward && instead of AND ? || instead of OR ? != instead of <> ! instead of NOT ? No, really, what am I ? A compiler ? My hands won't fall off if I type (cond1) AND (cond2) instead of (cond1) && (cond2). There's one extra character and it's so much clearer ! Why do so many people love cryptic code ? It's not like the writer of that code will seem to be any smarter ! Also, the compiler stops and hits me with a brick saying that in the line variable1 = "abc" variable2 = 5; I have missed the ending ; on the first line. Well... if you compiler are so sure about my missing of that fing semicolon, why don't you put it there ? Warn me, color it bright red, make it blink, but put it there if you are so sure I've missed it. Help me a bit. I write in C#, and I really like it, don't get me wrong. But that doesn't make me not see these (and others) things.

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                      • A AspDotNetDev

                        There hasn't been a good "why language X sucks and language Y is better" thread in a good while, so I thought I'd start one. Unlike most, however, this one has rules. I will post a reason C# is better than VB.NET and somebody reply with a reason VB.NET is better than C#. I (or somebody else) will then reply to that message stating another reason C# is better. And so on. Also, you must show code examples (when appropriate). I'll start. C# Is Less Verbose

                        Public Sub Something()
                        ' VB.NET...
                        End Sub

                        public void Something()
                        {
                        // C#...
                        }

                        You're turn (post why VB.NET is better than C#). :)

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                        frattaro
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                        Ever tried writing dynamic (X/HT)ML?

                        Dim header =

                        <%= publicationdate %>

                        That's a lot easier than anything in C#. Stringbuilders, XMLwriters, whatever... doesn't beat VB.NET's XML Literals.

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                        • A AspDotNetDev

                          There hasn't been a good "why language X sucks and language Y is better" thread in a good while, so I thought I'd start one. Unlike most, however, this one has rules. I will post a reason C# is better than VB.NET and somebody reply with a reason VB.NET is better than C#. I (or somebody else) will then reply to that message stating another reason C# is better. And so on. Also, you must show code examples (when appropriate). I'll start. C# Is Less Verbose

                          Public Sub Something()
                          ' VB.NET...
                          End Sub

                          public void Something()
                          {
                          // C#...
                          }

                          You're turn (post why VB.NET is better than C#). :)

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                          Smohd5
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                          Your code snippet shows they are equal because the code are generated by the IDE

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                          • C coding4ever

                            AspDotNetDev wrote:

                            VB.NET is Backward Compatible with VB6

                            And this is supposed to be a good thing? ;P Though I will give you props for actually using an ErrorHandler and not simply going with On Error Resume Next like my predecessor did.

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                            Sterling Camden independent consultant
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                            And actually, it isn't. Migrating VB6 code to VB.NET can be a royal pain, and usually ends up as a rewrite (in C#).

                            Contains coding, but not narcotic.

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                            • A AspDotNetDev

                              I'll give an example reply as well... VB.NET is Backward Compatible with VB6

                              On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
                              Throw New Exception("Error!")
                              Return
                              

                              ErrorHandler:
                              MessageBox.Show("Darn!")

                              C# does not have this handy backward compatibility, so upgrading from VB6 is more difficult when going to C#.

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                              programmervb netc
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                              He said post something that makes it better just kidding. Humble Programmer

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                                This can much shorter! Step1() && Step2() && Step3();

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                                AspDotNetDev
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                                True, but it can only be used with a boolean value. The others can work with non-boolean values.

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                                  Ever tried writing dynamic (X/HT)ML?

                                  Dim header =

                                  <%= publicationdate %>

                                  That's a lot easier than anything in C#. Stringbuilders, XMLwriters, whatever... doesn't beat VB.NET's XML Literals.

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                                  AspDotNetDev
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                                  Yeah, that is nice.

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                                  • S Smohd5

                                    Your code snippet shows they are equal because the code are generated by the IDE

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                                    AspDotNetDev
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                                    Huh? Did you reply to the right message? I don't know what you mean.

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                                      True, but it can only be used with a boolean value. The others can work with non-boolean values.

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                                      the Kris
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                                      Does Func<bool> accept non-bool funcs? If not the other C# examples here only accept bool too. Or am I missing the point here?

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                                        Does Func<bool> accept non-bool funcs? If not the other C# examples here only accept bool too. Or am I missing the point here?

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                                        AspDotNetDev
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                                        See the tip/trick I just posted. You don't have to use Func<bool>. You can use whatever return type you need. You can even use Func<Object> if you like. I'm not sure, but I think covariance or contravariance (I forget which is which) may allow you to still avoid having to wrap the functions in a new lambda.

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                                        • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                                          AspDotNetDev wrote:

                                          Maybe "End Sub" makes the code easier to read to somebody not initiated with the language, but it doesn't make the code any easier to write

                                          Which is a reasonable trade-off. You write code once and read it many times. Besides, with any decent editor, it is a non-issue.

                                          AspDotNetDev wrote:

                                          if (true)
                                          {

                                          I see unnecessary and confusing symbols here. For instance in Go, it would be something like:

                                          if true {

                                          Or (even better) in ML:

                                          if true then

                                          utf8-cpp

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                                          Klaus Werner Konrad
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                                          #define then {

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