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  • A AspDotNetDev

    Doesn't look fixed to me. Methinks you need to get the permalink from whatever message you are linking to.

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    PIEBALDconsult
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    My post "Here's something else VB can't do".

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    • P PIEBALDconsult

      My post "Here's something else VB can't do".

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      AspDotNetDev
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      Ah, link.

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      • A AspDotNetDev

        There hasn't been a good "why language X sucks and language Y is better" thread in a good while, so I thought I'd start one. Unlike most, however, this one has rules. I will post a reason C# is better than VB.NET and somebody reply with a reason VB.NET is better than C#. I (or somebody else) will then reply to that message stating another reason C# is better. And so on. Also, you must show code examples (when appropriate). I'll start. C# Is Less Verbose

        Public Sub Something()
        ' VB.NET...
        End Sub

        public void Something()
        {
        // C#...
        }

        You're turn (post why VB.NET is better than C#). :)

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        Michael Kingsford Gray
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        VB is better because I use it more often, and have more experience with it than C#. Do I get points for honesty?

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        • A AspDotNetDev

          There hasn't been a good "why language X sucks and language Y is better" thread in a good while, so I thought I'd start one. Unlike most, however, this one has rules. I will post a reason C# is better than VB.NET and somebody reply with a reason VB.NET is better than C#. I (or somebody else) will then reply to that message stating another reason C# is better. And so on. Also, you must show code examples (when appropriate). I'll start. C# Is Less Verbose

          Public Sub Something()
          ' VB.NET...
          End Sub

          public void Something()
          {
          // C#...
          }

          You're turn (post why VB.NET is better than C#). :)

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          hairy_hats
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          AspDotNetDev wrote:

          You're turn

          Am I? ;P

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          • A AspDotNetDev

            That's pretty neat! But you can actually get pretty close to that in C#:

            var steps = new List<Func<bool>> { Step1, Step2, Step3 };
            foreach (var step in steps)
            {
            if (!step()) break;
            }

            And if you create this helper function:

            void DoEach(params Func<bool>[] steps)
            {
            foreach (var step in steps)
            {
            if (!step()) break;
            }
            }

            You can shorten that code even further:

            DoEach(new Func<bool>[] {
            Step1,
            Step2,
            Step3
            });

            Got to love delegate inference! Not sure, but I think there's something in LINQ that does something like this as well. Can't be bothered to try and find it now though.

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            the Kris
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            This can much shorter! Step1() && Step2() && Step3();

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            • N Nish Nishant

              Oh sorry, it's so well known that I didn't think you'd need code to back it up :-) See this blog post: http://blog.gadodia.net/extension-methods-in-vbnet-and-c/[^]

              Regards, Nish


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              Rob Grainger
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              Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

              Oh sorry, it's so well known that I didn't think you'd need code to back it up

              maybe in your part of the world - I've been using C# and VB for years but never came across this. Why you'd want to do it in a well designed program is questionable, but maybe there is a good reason somewhere.

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              • A AspDotNetDev

                I'll give an example reply as well... VB.NET is Backward Compatible with VB6

                On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
                Throw New Exception("Error!")
                Return
                

                ErrorHandler:
                MessageBox.Show("Darn!")

                C# does not have this handy backward compatibility, so upgrading from VB6 is more difficult when going to C#.

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                coding4ever
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                AspDotNetDev wrote:

                VB.NET is Backward Compatible with VB6

                And this is supposed to be a good thing? ;P Though I will give you props for actually using an ErrorHandler and not simply going with On Error Resume Next like my predecessor did.

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                • H hairy_hats

                  AspDotNetDev wrote:

                  You're turn

                  Am I? ;P

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                  raducu1
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                  #50

                  In VB.NET:

                  With longDescriptiveObjectName
                  .prop1 = ...
                  .prop2 = ...
                  .prop3 = ...
                  end with

                  In C#:

                  longDescriptiveObjectName.prop1 = ...
                  longDescriptiveObjectName.prop2 = ...
                  longDescriptiveObjectName.prop3 = ...

                  Which one is more verbose, then ?

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                  • H hairy_hats

                    AspDotNetDev wrote:

                    You're turn

                    Am I? ;P

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                    raducu1
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                    #51

                    Yes, you are VERY turn ! :((

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                    • N Nish Nishant

                      The VB Select-Case is more flexible than just that. Example from MSDN:

                      Dim number As Integer = 8
                      Select Case number
                      Case 1 To 5
                      Debug.WriteLine("Between 1 and 5, inclusive")
                      ' The following is the only Case clause that evaluates to True.
                      Case 6, 7, 8
                      Debug.WriteLine("Between 6 and 8, inclusive")
                      Case 9 To 10
                      Debug.WriteLine("Equal to 9 or 10")
                      Case Else
                      Debug.WriteLine("Not between 1 and 10, inclusive")
                      End Select

                      Regards, Nish


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                      Rick Shaub
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                      In C# you can use fall through cases for that in C#.

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                      • H hairy_hats

                        AspDotNetDev wrote:

                        You're turn

                        Am I? ;P

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                        raducu1
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                        #53

                        Again. if a=b { do something } What's unclear here ? However, the compiler stops me with the question - do you want to assign b to a ? No, I don't. Isn't it obvious what I want to do ? VB doesn't need this handholding. Also, why do I need to type if (a=b) { do something } and what do those fing paranthesis do there ? If I wanted to better delimit the clauses, for human eyes benefit only, I would do that, as in, say, if ((a=b) && (c=d)) { } Also... operators. I really don't care how awkwardly they were named in C, C++, etc, but really, people, baggage should NOT be carried forward && instead of AND ? || instead of OR ? != instead of <> ! instead of NOT ? No, really, what am I ? A compiler ? My hands won't fall off if I type (cond1) AND (cond2) instead of (cond1) && (cond2). There's one extra character and it's so much clearer ! Why do so many people love cryptic code ? It's not like the writer of that code will seem to be any smarter ! Also, the compiler stops and hits me with a brick saying that in the line variable1 = "abc" variable2 = 5; I have missed the ending ; on the first line. Well... if you compiler are so sure about my missing of that fing semicolon, why don't you put it there ? Warn me, color it bright red, make it blink, but put it there if you are so sure I've missed it. Help me a bit. I write in C#, and I really like it, don't get me wrong. But that doesn't make me not see these (and others) things.

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                        • A AspDotNetDev

                          There hasn't been a good "why language X sucks and language Y is better" thread in a good while, so I thought I'd start one. Unlike most, however, this one has rules. I will post a reason C# is better than VB.NET and somebody reply with a reason VB.NET is better than C#. I (or somebody else) will then reply to that message stating another reason C# is better. And so on. Also, you must show code examples (when appropriate). I'll start. C# Is Less Verbose

                          Public Sub Something()
                          ' VB.NET...
                          End Sub

                          public void Something()
                          {
                          // C#...
                          }

                          You're turn (post why VB.NET is better than C#). :)

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                          frattaro
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                          Ever tried writing dynamic (X/HT)ML?

                          Dim header =

                          <%= publicationdate %>

                          That's a lot easier than anything in C#. Stringbuilders, XMLwriters, whatever... doesn't beat VB.NET's XML Literals.

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                          • A AspDotNetDev

                            There hasn't been a good "why language X sucks and language Y is better" thread in a good while, so I thought I'd start one. Unlike most, however, this one has rules. I will post a reason C# is better than VB.NET and somebody reply with a reason VB.NET is better than C#. I (or somebody else) will then reply to that message stating another reason C# is better. And so on. Also, you must show code examples (when appropriate). I'll start. C# Is Less Verbose

                            Public Sub Something()
                            ' VB.NET...
                            End Sub

                            public void Something()
                            {
                            // C#...
                            }

                            You're turn (post why VB.NET is better than C#). :)

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                            Smohd5
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                            Your code snippet shows they are equal because the code are generated by the IDE

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                            • C coding4ever

                              AspDotNetDev wrote:

                              VB.NET is Backward Compatible with VB6

                              And this is supposed to be a good thing? ;P Though I will give you props for actually using an ErrorHandler and not simply going with On Error Resume Next like my predecessor did.

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                              Sterling Camden independent consultant
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                              And actually, it isn't. Migrating VB6 code to VB.NET can be a royal pain, and usually ends up as a rewrite (in C#).

                              Contains coding, but not narcotic.

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                              • A AspDotNetDev

                                I'll give an example reply as well... VB.NET is Backward Compatible with VB6

                                On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
                                Throw New Exception("Error!")
                                Return
                                

                                ErrorHandler:
                                MessageBox.Show("Darn!")

                                C# does not have this handy backward compatibility, so upgrading from VB6 is more difficult when going to C#.

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                                programmervb netc
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                                He said post something that makes it better just kidding. Humble Programmer

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                                • T the Kris

                                  This can much shorter! Step1() && Step2() && Step3();

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                                  AspDotNetDev
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                                  True, but it can only be used with a boolean value. The others can work with non-boolean values.

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                                  • F frattaro

                                    Ever tried writing dynamic (X/HT)ML?

                                    Dim header =

                                    <%= publicationdate %>

                                    That's a lot easier than anything in C#. Stringbuilders, XMLwriters, whatever... doesn't beat VB.NET's XML Literals.

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                                    AspDotNetDev
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                                    Yeah, that is nice.

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                                    • S Smohd5

                                      Your code snippet shows they are equal because the code are generated by the IDE

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                                      AspDotNetDev
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                                      Huh? Did you reply to the right message? I don't know what you mean.

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                                      • A AspDotNetDev

                                        True, but it can only be used with a boolean value. The others can work with non-boolean values.

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                                        the Kris
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                                        Does Func<bool> accept non-bool funcs? If not the other C# examples here only accept bool too. Or am I missing the point here?

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                                          Does Func<bool> accept non-bool funcs? If not the other C# examples here only accept bool too. Or am I missing the point here?

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                                          AspDotNetDev
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                                          See the tip/trick I just posted. You don't have to use Func<bool>. You can use whatever return type you need. You can even use Func<Object> if you like. I'm not sure, but I think covariance or contravariance (I forget which is which) may allow you to still avoid having to wrap the functions in a new lambda.

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