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  • P PIEBALDconsult

    Fixed, thanks.

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    AspDotNetDev
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    Doesn't look fixed to me. Methinks you need to get the permalink from whatever message you are linking to.

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    • N Nemanja Trifunovic

      AspDotNetDev wrote:

      Maybe "End Sub" makes the code easier to read to somebody not initiated with the language, but it doesn't make the code any easier to write

      Which is a reasonable trade-off. You write code once and read it many times. Besides, with any decent editor, it is a non-issue.

      AspDotNetDev wrote:

      if (true)
      {

      I see unnecessary and confusing symbols here. For instance in Go, it would be something like:

      if true {

      Or (even better) in ML:

      if true then

      utf8-cpp

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      PIEBALDconsult
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      Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

      AspDotNetDev wrote:

      if (true)
      {

      If I had my way (and I don't), the braces would be mandatory and the parentheses would be optional.

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      • N Nemanja Trifunovic

        AspDotNetDev wrote:

        It is faster to read "{}" than "Then End If",

        Kind of. End If closes the block after If and that's it. To get what } does you need to be aware of the scope - sometimes even to scroll up a couple of pages. Sure, a good editor helps, but as far as a language goes I like End If better.

        utf8-cpp

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        PIEBALDconsult
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        #42

        See what happens when you remove all the newlines. Readable?

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        • A AspDotNetDev

          Doesn't look fixed to me. Methinks you need to get the permalink from whatever message you are linking to.

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          PIEBALDconsult
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          My post "Here's something else VB can't do".

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          • P PIEBALDconsult

            My post "Here's something else VB can't do".

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            AspDotNetDev
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            Ah, link.

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            • A AspDotNetDev

              There hasn't been a good "why language X sucks and language Y is better" thread in a good while, so I thought I'd start one. Unlike most, however, this one has rules. I will post a reason C# is better than VB.NET and somebody reply with a reason VB.NET is better than C#. I (or somebody else) will then reply to that message stating another reason C# is better. And so on. Also, you must show code examples (when appropriate). I'll start. C# Is Less Verbose

              Public Sub Something()
              ' VB.NET...
              End Sub

              public void Something()
              {
              // C#...
              }

              You're turn (post why VB.NET is better than C#). :)

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              Michael Kingsford Gray
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              VB is better because I use it more often, and have more experience with it than C#. Do I get points for honesty?

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              • A AspDotNetDev

                There hasn't been a good "why language X sucks and language Y is better" thread in a good while, so I thought I'd start one. Unlike most, however, this one has rules. I will post a reason C# is better than VB.NET and somebody reply with a reason VB.NET is better than C#. I (or somebody else) will then reply to that message stating another reason C# is better. And so on. Also, you must show code examples (when appropriate). I'll start. C# Is Less Verbose

                Public Sub Something()
                ' VB.NET...
                End Sub

                public void Something()
                {
                // C#...
                }

                You're turn (post why VB.NET is better than C#). :)

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                hairy_hats
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                #46

                AspDotNetDev wrote:

                You're turn

                Am I? ;P

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                • A AspDotNetDev

                  That's pretty neat! But you can actually get pretty close to that in C#:

                  var steps = new List<Func<bool>> { Step1, Step2, Step3 };
                  foreach (var step in steps)
                  {
                  if (!step()) break;
                  }

                  And if you create this helper function:

                  void DoEach(params Func<bool>[] steps)
                  {
                  foreach (var step in steps)
                  {
                  if (!step()) break;
                  }
                  }

                  You can shorten that code even further:

                  DoEach(new Func<bool>[] {
                  Step1,
                  Step2,
                  Step3
                  });

                  Got to love delegate inference! Not sure, but I think there's something in LINQ that does something like this as well. Can't be bothered to try and find it now though.

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                  the Kris
                  wrote on last edited by
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                  This can much shorter! Step1() && Step2() && Step3();

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                  • N Nish Nishant

                    Oh sorry, it's so well known that I didn't think you'd need code to back it up :-) See this blog post: http://blog.gadodia.net/extension-methods-in-vbnet-and-c/[^]

                    Regards, Nish


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                    Rob Grainger
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                    Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                    Oh sorry, it's so well known that I didn't think you'd need code to back it up

                    maybe in your part of the world - I've been using C# and VB for years but never came across this. Why you'd want to do it in a well designed program is questionable, but maybe there is a good reason somewhere.

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                    • A AspDotNetDev

                      I'll give an example reply as well... VB.NET is Backward Compatible with VB6

                      On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
                      Throw New Exception("Error!")
                      Return
                      

                      ErrorHandler:
                      MessageBox.Show("Darn!")

                      C# does not have this handy backward compatibility, so upgrading from VB6 is more difficult when going to C#.

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                      coding4ever
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                      AspDotNetDev wrote:

                      VB.NET is Backward Compatible with VB6

                      And this is supposed to be a good thing? ;P Though I will give you props for actually using an ErrorHandler and not simply going with On Error Resume Next like my predecessor did.

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                      • H hairy_hats

                        AspDotNetDev wrote:

                        You're turn

                        Am I? ;P

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                        raducu1
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                        In VB.NET:

                        With longDescriptiveObjectName
                        .prop1 = ...
                        .prop2 = ...
                        .prop3 = ...
                        end with

                        In C#:

                        longDescriptiveObjectName.prop1 = ...
                        longDescriptiveObjectName.prop2 = ...
                        longDescriptiveObjectName.prop3 = ...

                        Which one is more verbose, then ?

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                        • H hairy_hats

                          AspDotNetDev wrote:

                          You're turn

                          Am I? ;P

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                          raducu1
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                          Yes, you are VERY turn ! :((

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                          • N Nish Nishant

                            The VB Select-Case is more flexible than just that. Example from MSDN:

                            Dim number As Integer = 8
                            Select Case number
                            Case 1 To 5
                            Debug.WriteLine("Between 1 and 5, inclusive")
                            ' The following is the only Case clause that evaluates to True.
                            Case 6, 7, 8
                            Debug.WriteLine("Between 6 and 8, inclusive")
                            Case 9 To 10
                            Debug.WriteLine("Equal to 9 or 10")
                            Case Else
                            Debug.WriteLine("Not between 1 and 10, inclusive")
                            End Select

                            Regards, Nish


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                            Rick Shaub
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                            In C# you can use fall through cases for that in C#.

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                            • H hairy_hats

                              AspDotNetDev wrote:

                              You're turn

                              Am I? ;P

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                              raducu1
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                              #53

                              Again. if a=b { do something } What's unclear here ? However, the compiler stops me with the question - do you want to assign b to a ? No, I don't. Isn't it obvious what I want to do ? VB doesn't need this handholding. Also, why do I need to type if (a=b) { do something } and what do those fing paranthesis do there ? If I wanted to better delimit the clauses, for human eyes benefit only, I would do that, as in, say, if ((a=b) && (c=d)) { } Also... operators. I really don't care how awkwardly they were named in C, C++, etc, but really, people, baggage should NOT be carried forward && instead of AND ? || instead of OR ? != instead of <> ! instead of NOT ? No, really, what am I ? A compiler ? My hands won't fall off if I type (cond1) AND (cond2) instead of (cond1) && (cond2). There's one extra character and it's so much clearer ! Why do so many people love cryptic code ? It's not like the writer of that code will seem to be any smarter ! Also, the compiler stops and hits me with a brick saying that in the line variable1 = "abc" variable2 = 5; I have missed the ending ; on the first line. Well... if you compiler are so sure about my missing of that fing semicolon, why don't you put it there ? Warn me, color it bright red, make it blink, but put it there if you are so sure I've missed it. Help me a bit. I write in C#, and I really like it, don't get me wrong. But that doesn't make me not see these (and others) things.

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                              • A AspDotNetDev

                                There hasn't been a good "why language X sucks and language Y is better" thread in a good while, so I thought I'd start one. Unlike most, however, this one has rules. I will post a reason C# is better than VB.NET and somebody reply with a reason VB.NET is better than C#. I (or somebody else) will then reply to that message stating another reason C# is better. And so on. Also, you must show code examples (when appropriate). I'll start. C# Is Less Verbose

                                Public Sub Something()
                                ' VB.NET...
                                End Sub

                                public void Something()
                                {
                                // C#...
                                }

                                You're turn (post why VB.NET is better than C#). :)

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                                frattaro
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                                Ever tried writing dynamic (X/HT)ML?

                                Dim header =

                                <%= publicationdate %>

                                That's a lot easier than anything in C#. Stringbuilders, XMLwriters, whatever... doesn't beat VB.NET's XML Literals.

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                                • A AspDotNetDev

                                  There hasn't been a good "why language X sucks and language Y is better" thread in a good while, so I thought I'd start one. Unlike most, however, this one has rules. I will post a reason C# is better than VB.NET and somebody reply with a reason VB.NET is better than C#. I (or somebody else) will then reply to that message stating another reason C# is better. And so on. Also, you must show code examples (when appropriate). I'll start. C# Is Less Verbose

                                  Public Sub Something()
                                  ' VB.NET...
                                  End Sub

                                  public void Something()
                                  {
                                  // C#...
                                  }

                                  You're turn (post why VB.NET is better than C#). :)

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                                  Smohd5
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                                  Your code snippet shows they are equal because the code are generated by the IDE

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                                    AspDotNetDev wrote:

                                    VB.NET is Backward Compatible with VB6

                                    And this is supposed to be a good thing? ;P Though I will give you props for actually using an ErrorHandler and not simply going with On Error Resume Next like my predecessor did.

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                                    Sterling Camden independent consultant
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                                    And actually, it isn't. Migrating VB6 code to VB.NET can be a royal pain, and usually ends up as a rewrite (in C#).

                                    Contains coding, but not narcotic.

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                                    • A AspDotNetDev

                                      I'll give an example reply as well... VB.NET is Backward Compatible with VB6

                                      On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
                                      Throw New Exception("Error!")
                                      Return
                                      

                                      ErrorHandler:
                                      MessageBox.Show("Darn!")

                                      C# does not have this handy backward compatibility, so upgrading from VB6 is more difficult when going to C#.

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                                      programmervb netc
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                                      He said post something that makes it better just kidding. Humble Programmer

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                                      • T the Kris

                                        This can much shorter! Step1() && Step2() && Step3();

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                                        AspDotNetDev
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                                        True, but it can only be used with a boolean value. The others can work with non-boolean values.

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                                        • F frattaro

                                          Ever tried writing dynamic (X/HT)ML?

                                          Dim header =

                                          <%= publicationdate %>

                                          That's a lot easier than anything in C#. Stringbuilders, XMLwriters, whatever... doesn't beat VB.NET's XML Literals.

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                                          AspDotNetDev
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                                          Yeah, that is nice.

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