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  • S Slacker007

    EF 6 has more optimizations than before, and is more powerful IMHO then 4 or 5. Any reason why you can't use that?

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    Slacker007 wrote:

    EF 6 has ... Any reason why you can't use that?

    It's from Microsoft.

    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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    When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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      Comments? Opinions?

      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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      When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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      Very good. It's not trying to do everything, like EF or NHibernate; it just makes certain tasks with raw ADO.NET a lot easier.


      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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        Slacker007 wrote:

        EF 6 has ... Any reason why you can't use that?

        It's from Microsoft.

        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
        -----
        When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

        It's from Microsoft.

        Well, that is not really a good reason. You have to have a better reason for that, I would think. Our shop/company has been using EF 5 and 6 with great results. We recently went to Code First, and I like that too, despite my initial hesitation...to change.

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          John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

          It's from Microsoft.

          Well, that is not really a good reason. You have to have a better reason for that, I would think. Our shop/company has been using EF 5 and 6 with great results. We recently went to Code First, and I like that too, despite my initial hesitation...to change.

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          Nish Nishant
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          Dapper is written in C# which is from Microsoft too :-)

          Regards, Nish


          Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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            Dapper is written in C# which is from Microsoft too :-)

            Regards, Nish


            Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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            :-D I rest my case.

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              John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

              It's from Microsoft.

              Well, that is not really a good reason. You have to have a better reason for that, I would think. Our shop/company has been using EF 5 and 6 with great results. We recently went to Code First, and I like that too, despite my initial hesitation...to change.

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              Slacker007 wrote:

              Well, that is not really a good reason.

              It's always been a good reason in the past. And I like living in the past.

              ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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              You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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              When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                Dapper is written in C# which is from Microsoft too :-)

                Regards, Nish


                Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                C# is simply a copy of java, but without the cross-platform capabilities.

                ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                • S Slacker007

                  John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                  It's from Microsoft.

                  Well, that is not really a good reason. You have to have a better reason for that, I would think. Our shop/company has been using EF 5 and 6 with great results. We recently went to Code First, and I like that too, despite my initial hesitation...to change.

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                  Besides all of the above, I didn't ask if anyone had used EF.

                  ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                  You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                  When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                  • realJSOPR realJSOP

                    Besides all of the above, I didn't ask if anyone had used EF.

                    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                    When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                    Fair enough, John.

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                    • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                      Very good. It's not trying to do everything, like EF or NHibernate; it just makes certain tasks with raw ADO.NET a lot easier.


                      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                      I looked in NuGet, and there's a crapload of dapper-related stuff in there. What's worth getting?

                      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                      -----
                      When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                      • realJSOPR realJSOP

                        C# is simply a copy of java, but without the cross-platform capabilities.

                        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                        -----
                        When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                        Sascha Lefevre
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                        I'm no Java guy but observing the news Kent posts about Java language development it looks like the table has turned and Java becomes a copy of C# ;P More on topic: If you're looking for a non-Microsoft "heavy" ORM then I would suggest to take a look at VITA[^]. I haven't used it myself yet but it sounds really good.

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                        • realJSOPR realJSOP

                          I looked in NuGet, and there's a crapload of dapper-related stuff in there. What's worth getting?

                          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                          -----
                          You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                          -----
                          When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                          I've only used the core package[^] so far. Dapper.Contrib[^] looks interesting, and is maintained by the same team: Dapper.Contrib - more extensions for dapper[^]


                          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

                          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                          • S Slacker007

                            Fair enough, John.

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                            Nish Nishant
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                            BTW, a few folks claim that Dapper's faster than EF6 - so I guess there's that.

                            Regards, Nish


                            Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                            • N Nish Nishant

                              BTW, a few folks claim that Dapper's faster than EF6 - so I guess there's that.

                              Regards, Nish


                              Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                              Sascha Lefevre
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                              It most certainly is - but that's apples and oranges.

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                              • N Nish Nishant

                                BTW, a few folks claim that Dapper's faster than EF6 - so I guess there's that.

                                Regards, Nish


                                Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                                Slacker007
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                                I have heard of Dapper, and that is about all. I have the most experience with EF but I am not going on the record to say that it is the best. I'm sure there are applications best suited for Dapper. I found this to be interesting. The conclusion at the end is the most important. Dapper looks to be faster in a lot of respects. Interesting. Don't Panic Labs – Speed Comparison: Dapper vs Entity Framework[^] Looks like Stackoverflow uses Dapper.

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                                  BTW, a few folks claim that Dapper's faster than EF6 - so I guess there's that.

                                  Regards, Nish


                                  Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                                  Jorgen Andersson
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                                  The difference is big! If you want faster you have to run your own, like I did.

                                  Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                  • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                    Slacker007 wrote:

                                    EF 6 has ... Any reason why you can't use that?

                                    It's from Microsoft.

                                    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                    -----
                                    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                    -----
                                    When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                    David Crow
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                                    Aren't .NET and Mono both from Microsoft, or are you targeting some other platform?

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                                    • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                      Does anyone here use the Dapper ORM?

                                      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                      -----
                                      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                      -----
                                      When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                      stoneyowl2
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                                      Not that one, but I have used something called 'PetaPoco', which is kinda based on Dapper. The nice thing, to me, is it is a single .cs file that can be included right in you solution. He also has a later version that is a normal assembly. You will probably need to google 'PetaPoco' to find it.

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                                      • K Kent Sharkey

                                        I haven't used it, but I understand that there is an article in next month's MSDN Magazine about it (should be on the site on Monday). Julie Lerman (she of much EF writing) liked it.

                                        TTFN - Kent

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                                        Nagy Vilmos
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                                        If Julie is s fan then that is a pretty big endorsement.

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                                        • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                          Does anyone here use the Dapper ORM?

                                          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                          -----
                                          You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                          -----
                                          When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                          pt1401
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                                          I've used it a lot. It's excellent, but in large projects its best used with some form of POCO-generator such as Codesmith to auto-generate your DAL classes on your build server. Dapper is very fast and, even more importantly IMO, it doesn't get in your way.

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