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  • N Nish Nishant

    Dapper is written in C# which is from Microsoft too :-)

    Regards, Nish


    Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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    realJSOP
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    C# is simply a copy of java, but without the cross-platform capabilities.

    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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    When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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      John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

      It's from Microsoft.

      Well, that is not really a good reason. You have to have a better reason for that, I would think. Our shop/company has been using EF 5 and 6 with great results. We recently went to Code First, and I like that too, despite my initial hesitation...to change.

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      realJSOP
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      Besides all of the above, I didn't ask if anyone had used EF.

      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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      When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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        Besides all of the above, I didn't ask if anyone had used EF.

        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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        When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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        Slacker007
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        Fair enough, John.

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        • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

          Very good. It's not trying to do everything, like EF or NHibernate; it just makes certain tasks with raw ADO.NET a lot easier.


          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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          realJSOP
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          I looked in NuGet, and there's a crapload of dapper-related stuff in there. What's worth getting?

          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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          You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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          When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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          • R realJSOP

            C# is simply a copy of java, but without the cross-platform capabilities.

            ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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            You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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            When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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            Sascha Lefevre
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            I'm no Java guy but observing the news Kent posts about Java language development it looks like the table has turned and Java becomes a copy of C# ;P More on topic: If you're looking for a non-Microsoft "heavy" ORM then I would suggest to take a look at VITA[^]. I haven't used it myself yet but it sounds really good.

            If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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            • R realJSOP

              I looked in NuGet, and there's a crapload of dapper-related stuff in there. What's worth getting?

              ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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              You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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              When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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              Richard Deeming
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              I've only used the core package[^] so far. Dapper.Contrib[^] looks interesting, and is maintained by the same team: Dapper.Contrib - more extensions for dapper[^]


              "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

              "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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              • S Slacker007

                Fair enough, John.

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                Nish Nishant
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                BTW, a few folks claim that Dapper's faster than EF6 - so I guess there's that.

                Regards, Nish


                Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                • N Nish Nishant

                  BTW, a few folks claim that Dapper's faster than EF6 - so I guess there's that.

                  Regards, Nish


                  Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                  Sascha Lefevre
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                  It most certainly is - but that's apples and oranges.

                  If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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                  • N Nish Nishant

                    BTW, a few folks claim that Dapper's faster than EF6 - so I guess there's that.

                    Regards, Nish


                    Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                    Slacker007
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                    I have heard of Dapper, and that is about all. I have the most experience with EF but I am not going on the record to say that it is the best. I'm sure there are applications best suited for Dapper. I found this to be interesting. The conclusion at the end is the most important. Dapper looks to be faster in a lot of respects. Interesting. Don't Panic Labs – Speed Comparison: Dapper vs Entity Framework[^] Looks like Stackoverflow uses Dapper.

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                    • N Nish Nishant

                      BTW, a few folks claim that Dapper's faster than EF6 - so I guess there's that.

                      Regards, Nish


                      Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                      Jorgen Andersson
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                      The difference is big! If you want faster you have to run your own, like I did.

                      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                      • R realJSOP

                        Slacker007 wrote:

                        EF 6 has ... Any reason why you can't use that?

                        It's from Microsoft.

                        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                        When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                        David Crow
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                        Aren't .NET and Mono both from Microsoft, or are you targeting some other platform?

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                        • R realJSOP

                          Does anyone here use the Dapper ORM?

                          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                          You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                          When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                          stoneyowl2
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                          Not that one, but I have used something called 'PetaPoco', which is kinda based on Dapper. The nice thing, to me, is it is a single .cs file that can be included right in you solution. He also has a later version that is a normal assembly. You will probably need to google 'PetaPoco' to find it.

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                          • K Kent Sharkey

                            I haven't used it, but I understand that there is an article in next month's MSDN Magazine about it (should be on the site on Monday). Julie Lerman (she of much EF writing) liked it.

                            TTFN - Kent

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                            Nagy Vilmos
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                            If Julie is s fan then that is a pretty big endorsement.

                            veni bibi saltavi

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                            • R realJSOP

                              Does anyone here use the Dapper ORM?

                              ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                              -----
                              You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                              -----
                              When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                              pt1401
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                              I've used it a lot. It's excellent, but in large projects its best used with some form of POCO-generator such as Codesmith to auto-generate your DAL classes on your build server. Dapper is very fast and, even more importantly IMO, it doesn't get in your way.

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                              • R realJSOP

                                Does anyone here use the Dapper ORM?

                                ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                -----
                                You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                -----
                                When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                Ste S
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                                I've used Dapper a few times. I really like it and as others have said it generally gets out of the way and works well at mapping your sql to an object or collection of objects. I use it with Dapper extensions which makes simple selecting/updating etc pretty simple. I invested a lot of time in learning EF and it was hard to make the move but honestly I've never found a need to go back to using EF. EF seems overly complex, at least for my needs and I fail to see a good reason for using EF over a micro orm like Dapper or PetaPoco (which i also like).

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                                  C# is simply a copy of java, but without the cross-platform capabilities.

                                  ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                  -----
                                  You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                  -----
                                  When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                  Lost User
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                                  I just finished a small project running ASP.NET 5 on a Docker container running Ubunutu hosted in Azure :rose: Exciting times ahead I think :)

                                  The whole thing's rigged to blow, touch those tanks and "boooom"!

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                                  • R realJSOP

                                    Slacker007 wrote:

                                    Well, that is not really a good reason.

                                    It's always been a good reason in the past. And I like living in the past.

                                    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                    -----
                                    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                    -----
                                    When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                    What do you use instead of Visual Studio?

                                    The whole thing's rigged to blow, touch those tanks and "boooom"!

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                                      What do you use instead of Visual Studio?

                                      The whole thing's rigged to blow, touch those tanks and "boooom"!

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                                      realJSOP
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                                      I use edlin to edit my code, and manually compile everything (yeah it takes a lot longer, but it's hella efficient code).

                                      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                      -----
                                      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                                      When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                        I use edlin to edit my code, and manually compile everything (yeah it takes a lot longer, but it's hella efficient code).

                                        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                        -----
                                        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                        -----
                                        When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                        Lost User
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                                        Wow, that looks like the hard way of doing things[^] :laugh: I guess you're paid by the hour? :laugh:

                                        The whole thing's rigged to blow, touch those tanks and "boooom"!

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                                          Wow, that looks like the hard way of doing things[^] :laugh: I guess you're paid by the hour? :laugh:

                                          The whole thing's rigged to blow, touch those tanks and "boooom"!

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                                          realJSOP
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                                          Most things that are worth doing start out hard. And that's true for so many things in life. :)

                                          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                          -----
                                          You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                          -----
                                          When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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