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Breaking News: Windows 8 / 10 calculator removes Natural Log (ln) button

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  • N Nicholas Marty

    Not for Hex or Binary input. But at least I didn't have to switch to another mode just for calculating something with decimals

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    Lost User
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    I have been calculating the timing values for machine code routines recently and ran into that problem.

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    This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
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    • R raddevus

      Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

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      Kirill Illenseer
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      Didn't even know it had one, I always use Microsoft Math.

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      • R raddevus

        Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

        My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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        Neal8900
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        In scientific mode, click the UP ARROW button.

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        • R raddevus

          Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

          My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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          I'm trying to reply but my messages are being removed.

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          • R raddevus

            Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

            My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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            Neal8900
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            In scientific mode, click the UP ARROW button. All of the function buttons are replaced. x^2 becomes x^3, sin becomes arcsin, and log becomes ln.

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            • R raddevus

              Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

              My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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              Neal8900
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              Click the Up Arrow button.

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              • M Mark_Wallace

                "Mine's log-size!"

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                This one will take some beatings! :laugh:

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                • R Richard Deeming

                  Alternatively, click the ↑ button (third from the top, left column) to reveal the additional options.


                  "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                  Brilliant! An "up" arrow scrolls it UP or DOWN. Sure didn't see that one coming.

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                    It is called responsive design...A BS implementation of responsive design...:thumbsdown:

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                    Get the tee-shirt: "RESPOND TO THIS"

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                    • R raddevus

                      Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                      My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                      I'm glad others found the answer for you. I was going to suggest spinning up a Windows 7 VM so you could use the old calculator :-D

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                      • R raddevus

                        Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                        My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                        pontellen
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                        Luckily, Calc.exe runs fine from early Windows versions if you like that format. I keep another apps folder for just these old app things. I also Like the old, and simpler, PHOTOED.exe. Note you may need a few dlls to go along with them.

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                        • R raddevus

                          I was wondering if I just missed it. I stretched mine out and took a snapshot. Do you see it? Am I missing it? ln button? calculator image[^] This is really odd. It's probably a security issue, right? :laugh:

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                          Requisition Request: Item: 4K resolution monitor (36 inch minimum) Purpose: required to perform natural logarithmic synergy functions outside of Excel without standing up a web service for modeling of customer retention algorithms.

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                          • R raddevus

                            Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                            My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                            God, who the hell is running that show. Is it hard to make dynamically resizeable buttons in UWP apps? Or is something like that against their GUI guidelines?

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                            • S sasadler

                              God, who the hell is running that show. Is it hard to make dynamically resizeable buttons in UWP apps? Or is something like that against their GUI guidelines?

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                              raddevus
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                              Yeah, it's a mess out there in UWP, UWA, Win app dev. That's for sure.

                              My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                              • E englebart

                                Requisition Request: Item: 4K resolution monitor (36 inch minimum) Purpose: required to perform natural logarithmic synergy functions outside of Excel without standing up a web service for modeling of customer retention algorithms.

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                                raddevus
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                                englebart wrote:

                                Item: 4K resolution monitor (36 inch minimum)

                                Seems reasonable. :laugh:

                                My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                                • R raddevus

                                  Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                                  My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                                  User 11319743
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                                  You could always install the Windows 7 Calculator. http://winaero.com/blog/get-calculator-from-windows-8-and-windows-7-in-windows-10/ There are a number of APP that folks hate in Windows 10, including my favorite, spider solitaire. http://winaero.com/blog/get-windows-7-games-for-windows-10/

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                                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                    So the functions you can perform depend on the width of your screen? I say "that's clever!" except I'd need the antonym. And probably a few swear words.

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                                    Kyle Moyer
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                                    Reminds me of the ATI graphics driver installers. If you don't have any drivers, you're typically stuck in 640x480. In ATI's infinite wisdom stupidity, the installer is fixed size and 480 pixels tall. So you have about 4 pixels of button to click to advance the installer; or you have to hide the taskbar... Winning!

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                                    • R Richard Deeming

                                      Click the "hamburger" menu on the top-left, and switch to Scientific mode. If necessary, resize the calculator window to make it wider. The ln button is then three from the left, second from the bottom, just above n!.


                                      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                                      Daniel Wilianto
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                                      I wonder what kind of genius designed this UI. I need to maximize to see all the buttons, otherwise asin, acos, atan are not visible too. This is baffling. Who would have known? Do we need to read documentation in order to use calculator now?

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                                      • R raddevus

                                        Yes, Sander. You are a Genius of a whole other magnitude, because you could find this. :D Does that affirm you for today? See you tomorrow. :laugh:

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                                        Hey, it's tomorrow where I live! Give me some praise! :laugh:

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                                        Regards, Sander

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                                        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                          Hey, it's tomorrow where I live! Give me some praise! :laugh:

                                          Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

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                                          Regards, Sander

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                                          raddevus
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                                          Sander Rossel wrote:

                                          it's tomorrow where I live!

                                          That's really interesting that where you live, that you live in tomorrow. Here where I live, we are always forced to live in today. :laugh: No wonder you are such an amazing person, coder, writer. It's because you live in the future. :laugh:

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