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Breaking News: Windows 8 / 10 calculator removes Natural Log (ln) button

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  • R raddevus

    Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

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    Marc Clifton
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    Who cares? Google ln(2)[^] (for example) Marc

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      Who cares? Google ln(2)[^] (for example) Marc

      Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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      raddevus
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      Marc Clifton wrote:

      Who cares?

      That's Microsoft's new Marketing tag line. Then, everyone in the audience replies: No one! :laugh: You are right and someone edit (I don't see that post now??) :confused: pointed that out just about the first thing. This is how Google makes Microsoft obsolete in every way. :rolleyes: or :cool:? Not sure. :)

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      • R raddevus

        Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

        A BS implementation of responsive design

        I think you nailed it with this. Some junior dev or intern who was like, "yeah, that's my responsive design...hiding stuff unless the stupid user moves unknown stuff around..."

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        Mark_Wallace
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        I shouldn't be at all surprised if that's really what they think responsive design means. "Oh, it means that you see more if you make the window bigger!" yup. And the best part is that these **Great** **Upgrades** are forced on everyone.

        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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        • R raddevus

          Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

          My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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          Jeremy Falcon
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          We've come so far over the years :~ .... Clickety[^] Safe for work.

          Jeremy Falcon

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            We've come so far over the years :~ .... Clickety[^] Safe for work.

            Jeremy Falcon

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            raddevus
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            Haha Win 3.1 Great stuff. Miss it so much. :(( Those were the days of .ini files and the desktop you couldn't use unless you had desktop dropper shell, which became popular just months before win95 released, then everyone forgot about it. desktop dropper[^]

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            • L Lost User

              Like F87AB.A7 or 01100111001.11?

              The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
              This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
              "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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              Nicholas Marty
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              Not for Hex or Binary input. But at least I didn't have to switch to another mode just for calculating something with decimals

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                Not for Hex or Binary input. But at least I didn't have to switch to another mode just for calculating something with decimals

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                I have been calculating the timing values for machine code routines recently and ran into that problem.

                The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                • R raddevus

                  Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                  My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                  Kirill Illenseer
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                  Didn't even know it had one, I always use Microsoft Math.

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                  • R raddevus

                    Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                    My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                    In scientific mode, click the UP ARROW button.

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                    • R raddevus

                      Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                      My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                      I'm trying to reply but my messages are being removed.

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                      • R raddevus

                        Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                        My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                        Neal8900
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                        In scientific mode, click the UP ARROW button. All of the function buttons are replaced. x^2 becomes x^3, sin becomes arcsin, and log becomes ln.

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                        • R raddevus

                          Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                          My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                          Neal8900
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                          Click the Up Arrow button.

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                          • M Mark_Wallace

                            "Mine's log-size!"

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                            Jacques Sineriz
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                            This one will take some beatings! :laugh:

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                              Alternatively, click the ↑ button (third from the top, left column) to reveal the additional options.


                              "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                              Harrison Pratt
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                              Brilliant! An "up" arrow scrolls it UP or DOWN. Sure didn't see that one coming.

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                              • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                It is called responsive design...A BS implementation of responsive design...:thumbsdown:

                                Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                                Get the tee-shirt: "RESPOND TO THIS"

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                                • R raddevus

                                  Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                                  My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                                  Middle Manager
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                                  I'm glad others found the answer for you. I was going to suggest spinning up a Windows 7 VM so you could use the old calculator :-D

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                                  • R raddevus

                                    Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                                    My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                                    pontellen
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                                    Luckily, Calc.exe runs fine from early Windows versions if you like that format. I keep another apps folder for just these old app things. I also Like the old, and simpler, PHOTOED.exe. Note you may need a few dlls to go along with them.

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                                    • R raddevus

                                      I was wondering if I just missed it. I stretched mine out and took a snapshot. Do you see it? Am I missing it? ln button? calculator image[^] This is really odd. It's probably a security issue, right? :laugh:

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                                      Requisition Request: Item: 4K resolution monitor (36 inch minimum) Purpose: required to perform natural logarithmic synergy functions outside of Excel without standing up a web service for modeling of customer retention algorithms.

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                                        Have you noticed that the ln (natural log) button is removed from Windows 8 / Win 10 calculator? You can see the (original - win xp, win vista, win 7) had it. Old Windows Calculator (image)[^] Why they remove that? Oh, here's the terribly useful Windows 10 doc on the calculator. Ugh! Calculator in Windows 10[^] X| If you find the ln button in the Windows 10 calculator, please let me know. I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner. :laugh:

                                        My book, Launch Your Android App, is available at Amazon.com (only $2.99USD over 350 pages).

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                                        sasadler
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                                        God, who the hell is running that show. Is it hard to make dynamically resizeable buttons in UWP apps? Or is something like that against their GUI guidelines?

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                                          God, who the hell is running that show. Is it hard to make dynamically resizeable buttons in UWP apps? Or is something like that against their GUI guidelines?

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                                          raddevus
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                                          Yeah, it's a mess out there in UWP, UWA, Win app dev. That's for sure.

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