Colin Angus Mackay wrote: (Am I analysing this too much?) Yes :-) Thing is, I'm sure they said it was 2005 or 2006, so I reckon they broke the continuity on the 3 terms thing - and the 18 quid would make a lot more sense then. Ian Darling The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity ... that such complexity can arise ... out of such simplicity ... is the most fabulous extraordinary idea ... once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened - it's just wonderful ... the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned - Douglas Adams

fat_boy wrote: So a photo card only system would be OK for you? That depends on how it was operated and what it is intended to do. There are already voluntary but "accredited" schemes such as CitizenCard (aimed at young people so they can prove they can legally buy fags, booze, or whatever) which don't seem too bad, although I don't know too much about them. It would certainly have to be a voluntary scheme so, and it should not be mandated for things such as opening bank accounts, etc. As I rarely need to prove who I am to anyone (once in three years), and already have a passport which is suitable for when I do (I needed it to set up some financial stuff), I wouldn't need a photocard, and would resist any compulsion on my part to do so. But if you wanted a voluntary HMG backed photocard, then fine. Ian Darling The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity ... that such complexity can arise ... out of such simplicity ... is the most fabulous extraordinary idea ... once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened - it's just wonderful ... the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned - Douglas Adams

Unfortunately there are always plenty terminally stupid people who would fall for the product marketing... :~ Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.

Of course you are right.

Trust the Imperial Computing department to have something like that. They claim they arn't geeks. I'm at Level 11 - Made the Switch. Jonathan 'nonny' Newman blog.nonny.com [^]

Thats how it is seen from this side. Dont forget, there was only 20% support for the Iraq war in the UK. Even 2 ministers resgined from office because of their objection to the war. When I see a website like PNAC's I get very uneasy about what these people will drag the US, and the rest of the world into. Nunc est bibendum!

Finally, a social critic who gets it right instead of crying that the sky is falling. Most people are willing to pay more to be amused than to be educated--Robert C. Savage, Life Lessons Toasty0.com Ladder League (beta) My Grandkids

Americans sometimes take the whole thing way too seriously. Perhaps they need to learn to laugh at themselves more often. Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception. || Nunc est bibendum!

pseudonym67 wrote: Will the tea and toasted tea cakes be free to all or will they be means tested? As means testing is undignified and an intrusion into an individuals private life, that's right out. As there's no such thing as a free tea cakes, cakes will not be free. However, a certain amount of subsidy should be provided to local communities to provide the tea and toasted-tea-cake facilities deemed necessary in areas that _currant_ly lack them. I also expect that companies marketing to the youth of today will provide deals such as a voucher for tea-cakes with every £5 spent on mobile phone top-ups. Ian Darling The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity ... that such complexity can arise ... out of such simplicity ... is the most fabulous extraordinary idea ... once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened - it's just wonderful ... the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned - Douglas Adams

Shog9 wrote: Aw, what am i saying? It's sunny, there's a gentle breeze, and i'm having fun at work. Today rocks. :cool: Ian Darling The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity ... that such complexity can arise ... out of such simplicity ... is the most fabulous extraordinary idea ... once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened - it's just wonderful ... the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned - Douglas Adams

M$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ spokeperson wrote: Let me remind you again to return to Bill with all your heart, remove from your PC Linux, java and all other software that came from false Gods and commit yourself to holy M$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ software only ... or else simply suffer in sure DLL hell. Yeah? Well I do declare that I've already been through DLL Hell with the broken machine (now working properly after a timely nuke), so I guess it must be time for my 72 "vested" (ahah!) virgins ;P Or shall I just drop a VMS box on you in a comical manner? :-D Ian Darling The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity ... that such complexity can arise ... out of such simplicity ... is the most fabulous extraordinary idea ... once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened - it's just wonderful ... the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned - Douglas Adams

Okay, i wrote a reply, but decided to alter it since it will never stop this discussion. We have different points of view and I respect both. Good luck in preventing this national id registration thing.

Marc Clifton wrote: Science is only as good as those people doing the science. This is a misleading half-truth. The fact that science has been spectacularly successful in generating new knowledge whereas every other tradition has stagnated is not because science has been lucky in attracting talented knowledge seekers, whereas other traditions have been unlucky. The greater success is because of the superiority of the scientific method. John Carson "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." Benjamin Franklin

So, did you succeed in becoming a Jedi Knight? :-D Welcome back. Fold with us! All murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets - Voltaire, 1694-1778

C-Span is required by those who fund it to be throughly non-partisan and, as far as I can detect, has always succeeded in honoring that mandate. "Benedict Arnold was a war hero too."

Michael Dunn wrote: BTW, what is 11PM UK time in PDT? 3PM or 4PM? PDT = Pacific Day Time, right? PDT is then GMT minus 7 hours (UTC is the same as GMT). We're currently in BST (British Summer Time: GMT +1), so my original post was wrong saying we were in GMT (because I'm an idiot :-D). Anyway, we're in BST until October the 31st[^], so: PDT is BST -8 Therefore 11pm BST is 3pm PDT, until October 31st. But the Tertiary Phase will be finished by then, so that's OK :-) [EDIT: I'm still an idiot - corrected a GMT to BST] Ian Darling The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity ... that such complexity can arise ... out of such simplicity ... is the most fabulous extraordinary idea ... once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened - it's just wonderful ... the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned - Douglas Adams

Nick Seng wrote: I'm in withdrawal nowadays from the lack of whedonverse. Tell me about it :sigh: Ian Darling The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity ... that such complexity can arise ... out of such simplicity ... is the most fabulous extraordinary idea ... once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened - it's just wonderful ... the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned - Douglas Adams

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