Navin wrote: the guy in front of me (we're NOT in the left turn lane) starts to go straight! hehe. I did that a couple weeks ago. I think it was the first time in 20+ years of driving I've done that. The guy on my left started to go (he had the green left arrow) and I, not even paying attention to the light, went also! What a moron. First off, I never go just because the other drivers go--all too often I've seen someone blowing through a red light, almost crushing some eager beaver who guns it when the light turns green without checking that no one is entering into the intersection. It was just plain stupidity on my part. Occasionally, stupid things happen. That's why they're called "accidents" rather than "planned collisions". Frankly, any accident would have been pretty low impact, I would imagine. I don't think it merits the emotion of "horror". And certainly beeping your horn would have been the WRONG thing to do. The guy would have looked in his mirror, not straight ahead, and probably missed the fact that he was heading into another car! Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO