I did see an article or two in the CP list on Raven. Thanks, I'll do a little digging through the introduction I saw there. It has a cooler name than Mongo, IMO. :) _____________________________ A logician deducts the truth. A detective inducts the truth. A journalist abducts the truth. Give a man a mug, he drinks for a day. Teach a man to mug...

Have a 5 for the obscure Green Acres reference of the day!

Garth J Lancaster wrote: Im one of those souls that sees a creature on TV and wonders 'hmmm, what would it taste like/how would I cook it ?? Only fair. Many of the animals would think similar things when seeing you. Minus the cooking part, of course. I'm invincible, I can't be vinced

There are cybersquatting laws? Now I know. _____________________________ Give a man a mug, he drinks for a day. Teach a man to mug... The difference between an ostrich and the average voter is where they stick their heads.

Reminds me of when I had just joined a new group, they gave me access to some DBs and asked me to "see what I could see". (I had worked with the group while working for another group and they had liked the answers I came up with there.) I printed the schemas for one of the DBs, was going through it, and I suddenly was laughing. I'm reading SQL schema, and I'm laughing. That was a new experience for me. Why was I laughing? I had seen normalization rules mashed, kicked around, and tromped on before. They could all be explained away by either ignorance or studied/justified exception to the rule applications. I had never encountered a table that violated every normalization rule I could think of and throw in some best practice violations to boot. The only explanation that made sense was that the developer knew the rules so he could violate so many all in one place. That was what tickled my funny bone. That couldn't have been an accident, somebody went out of their way to violate every rule they could think of. Well, the joke was on me. I took the schema to my manager so he could share in the joke. He asked me to forward this schema to his manager. I picked the last of 31 tables, put "Interesting Schema" in the E-mail title, sent it to his manager and CC'd mine. Forgot about it. A couple of weeks later, I got a call from a livid manager. To be honest, he had a right to be livid and since he couldn't do a thing about the person he should be mad at, I let him holler at me since I started the ball rolling. I was really thankful that I didn't report to him, because if I had, I think he would have fired me. Seems my manager's manager had a meeting of managers and sprang this table in the meeting as an example of really poor SQL design. Personally, that still should have happened, but after the manager was told ahead of time what was going to happen to him. He's telling me how valuable these tables are and are currently being used. I'm thinking maybe on your databases, but how valuable are 31 tables dated from December 1 through the 31'st of last year to what is going on now in July? (One of the normalization rules is to not put data in a table name. When I read that, I thought, who would be dumb enough to do that? I hadn't yet run into several thousand log tables dated to the millisecond for 6 months of data.)

Let me guess. Some contractor lowballed the bid?

smcnulty2000 wrote: The argument is that if the technical requirement is very low then it couldn't be hacking. Then as I said - I haven't heard that. smcnulty2000 wrote: So- what does your moral code say? It had no comment. (That might seem flippant but it really does express my view on it.) Per your original question... smcnulty2000 wrote: Where does the line get crossed on these issues and how does one know when one is about to cross it? It is a matter of personal choice and experience. Your example issue doesn't concern me but I do get rather strident on the topic of copyrighted material especially as, in my experience, many developers no only do not understand how it impacts them they don't even know that the issue exists. Given the legal ramifications of even accidentally abusing it I am always conscious of it.

It saved time the first round. Probably took only 15 minutes with labels attached. A label maker might have saved me considering how that stuff tends to be made. When I've done sysadmin stuff I prefer to use a label maker like the one you showed. On the second round- It only took 40 minutes to put it all back together with the labels taking their untimely respite. It could have been worse but it was amusing since I'd thought I'd been so very careful. _____________________________ Give a man a mug, he drinks for a day. Teach a man to mug... The difference between an ostrich and the average voter is where they stick their heads.

Wow, that brings back memories from early Saturday morning TV must-watch cartoons! Very, VERY well done. -- RP

Indeed something to reflect on. /ravi My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

My wife said the best part of a new job is just before day 1. She was joking but I see her point. I think so, this seems like a good place for me to be right now. _____________________________ Give a man a mug, he drinks for a day. Teach a man to mug...

Yeah, in this case she just did administration and didn't have any role in the decision; which is how it should be. Okay, if you're going into sales or consultancy, I understand you have to show you can sell yourself and they might as well let you try to convince a monkey. But for a mere technical position it's just stupid. Those wrinkly fat company psychologists in HR are the worst, those dinosaurs of failing 80's management from which everybody knows they are full of crap. One time, one of those Greek oracles asked me why I switched from science to multimedia when I was in highschool. In HIGHSCHOOL! *Oh, no you got me! When I was 17 years old, I rather fooled around in Photoshop and Flash instead of solving differential equations. If only I knew how relevant this was going to be eleven years later. Are you going to analyse my handwriting and read my palm now, or do you have enough information?* :doh: Giraffes are not real.

:laugh: "Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forward." Kierkegaard, Søren

Thank you very much. I'll have a look. I know the boss will like the word 'free'. _____________________________ _____________________________ It is better to hack the code than to curse the darkness.

I'm afraid so. /ravi My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

Daniel Desormeaux wrote: Can you post a link to the page where you can get a refund? If this is a serious question then, no, it was "free". A free download. If this is trying to suggest that I shouldn't complain about a "free" product then I think that's bulls**t. That's like saying I shouldn't complain about the road being bumpy because it's "free". I probably wouldn't go and get my money back from Norton. Or McAfee under these circumstances either. Nor would they give it, I suspect. Those would be real, aparent dollars. But I do pay. I purchased the copy of windows. They offered this as a free add-on only to people who can check out as having a legitimate copy of windows. Ergo, they know I've paid. And they expect people who haven't paid to not be using this. They offered, I tried it, it sucked, I'm telling people, and moving on. Other people here are posting an opposite opinion. Which is fine because it didn't suck for them. And I pay MS every day with verbal and other support of their other products. That's "free" advertising and support to them. Except it isn't since they've given me good, and in many cases excellent products. So I speak highly of them in that regard. All of their products exist on a continuum from Excellent to Suckorific. Or perhaps a continuum from MS-Excel to MS-Outlook. I'm certainly not going to get a refund on the hours I spent on the problem. So I can't post that location either. Nor could I post the page where I could get my money back from buying windows were I so inclined. They won't give me my money back. _____________________________ I've often heard of an older, wiser person passing the torch. After witnessing something like that, I'm not sure who'd want the thing.

Oh no, Fat Ugly Virgins. I am so fed up with FUV's CSS and Ilidiot are FUV's but at least they deliver pizza. ------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006

:laugh: Should of guessed this would happen. This is like saying you might have a use for a puppy and having 57 dropped on your doorstep. I got all the lonely threes that didn't have a home. Kennel ration time. The question didn't occur to me until I realized I hadn't given anything but 1s and 5s out, then there I was wondering whether the center numbers even meant anything to anyone. Yes a 3 adds information but I suspect people don't care to spend the energy to give that bit of info out. I imagine if one took the site's numbers out and looked at them the bell curve would be inverted. _____________________________ There is no I in team. But there is meat in there.

Both looks good. The Adobe one does not seem to support IE8 (yet?), though.