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  • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

    I am thinking about putting this on my blog for the aid of the community at large but figured I would post here to see just how of base I really am. The basis for this is the continued series of questions I see asked and get asked which amounts to "What should I charge?". Just look up the annual salary you think you are worth with benefits and then look at the rate you should charge. (The rates include such things as benefits, PTO, Holidays, Marketing, Etc. But DO NOT INCLUDE travel expenses)

    Fulltime USD Per Annum

    Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr

    Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr

    20000

    16.2990196078431

    18.4722222222222

    25000

    20.3737745098039

    23.0902777777778

    30000

    24.4485294117647

    27.7083333333333

    35000

    28.5232843137255

    32.3263888888889

    40000

    32.5980392156863

    36.9444444444444

    45000

    36.6727941176471

    41.5625

    50000

    40.7475490196078

    46.1805555555556

    55000

    44.8223039215686

    50.7986111111111

    65000

    52.9718137254902

    60.0347222222222

    70000

    57.046568627451

    64.6527777777778

    85000

    69.2708333333333

    78.5069444444444

    90000

    73.3455882352941

    83.125

    95000

    77.4203431372549

    87.7430555555556

    100000

    81.4950980392157

    92.3611111111111

    105000

    85.5698529411765

    96.9791666666667

    110000

    89.6446078431373

    101.597222222222

    115000

    93.719362745098

    106.215277777778

    120000

    97.7941176470588

    110.833333333333

    125000

    101.86887254902

    115.451388888889

    130000

    105.94362745098

    120.069444444444

    135000

    110.018382352941

    124.6875

    140000

    114.093137254902

    129.305555555556

    145000

    118.167892156863

    133.923611111111

    150000

    122.242647058824

    138.541666666667

    155000

    126.317401960784

    143.159722222222

    165000

    134.466911764706

    152.3958333333

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    Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
    wrote on last edited by
    #2

    I didn't add all those line breaks in the message it just occurs when I did the table?

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    • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

      I didn't add all those line breaks in the message it just occurs when I did the table?

      Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
      Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway

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      MidwestLimey
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      #3

      Excuses, excuses ... -0.0039485 per hour for you! :D


      I'm largely language agnostic


      After a while they all bug me :doh:


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      • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

        I am thinking about putting this on my blog for the aid of the community at large but figured I would post here to see just how of base I really am. The basis for this is the continued series of questions I see asked and get asked which amounts to "What should I charge?". Just look up the annual salary you think you are worth with benefits and then look at the rate you should charge. (The rates include such things as benefits, PTO, Holidays, Marketing, Etc. But DO NOT INCLUDE travel expenses)

        Fulltime USD Per Annum

        Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr

        Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr

        20000

        16.2990196078431

        18.4722222222222

        25000

        20.3737745098039

        23.0902777777778

        30000

        24.4485294117647

        27.7083333333333

        35000

        28.5232843137255

        32.3263888888889

        40000

        32.5980392156863

        36.9444444444444

        45000

        36.6727941176471

        41.5625

        50000

        40.7475490196078

        46.1805555555556

        55000

        44.8223039215686

        50.7986111111111

        65000

        52.9718137254902

        60.0347222222222

        70000

        57.046568627451

        64.6527777777778

        85000

        69.2708333333333

        78.5069444444444

        90000

        73.3455882352941

        83.125

        95000

        77.4203431372549

        87.7430555555556

        100000

        81.4950980392157

        92.3611111111111

        105000

        85.5698529411765

        96.9791666666667

        110000

        89.6446078431373

        101.597222222222

        115000

        93.719362745098

        106.215277777778

        120000

        97.7941176470588

        110.833333333333

        125000

        101.86887254902

        115.451388888889

        130000

        105.94362745098

        120.069444444444

        135000

        110.018382352941

        124.6875

        140000

        114.093137254902

        129.305555555556

        145000

        118.167892156863

        133.923611111111

        150000

        122.242647058824

        138.541666666667

        155000

        126.317401960784

        143.159722222222

        165000

        134.466911764706

        152.3958333333

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        Xiangyang Liu
        wrote on last edited by
        #4

        Wow, I like the amount of money I could have made doing consulting and felt bad that I did not. :-D

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          Wow, I like the amount of money I could have made doing consulting and felt bad that I did not. :-D

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          Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
          wrote on last edited by
          #5

          Well it isn't an amount but a direct correlation. If you think you are worth, let's say $50k a year annual salary you should charge $41 an hour for a 6 month contract. In the end it will be about the same on the annual taxes.

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          • M MidwestLimey

            Excuses, excuses ... -0.0039485 per hour for you! :D


            I'm largely language agnostic


            After a while they all bug me :doh:


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            Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
            wrote on last edited by
            #6

            Yeah, on my blog I am going to format it but when I post on CP I have to allow little errors in my comments so people can offer funny critiques.

            Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
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            • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

              Well it isn't an amount but a direct correlation. If you think you are worth, let's say $50k a year annual salary you should charge $41 an hour for a 6 month contract. In the end it will be about the same on the annual taxes.

              Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
              Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway

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              PIEBALDconsult
              wrote on last edited by
              #7

              No, 92, and take the other six months off.

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              • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                I am thinking about putting this on my blog for the aid of the community at large but figured I would post here to see just how of base I really am. The basis for this is the continued series of questions I see asked and get asked which amounts to "What should I charge?". Just look up the annual salary you think you are worth with benefits and then look at the rate you should charge. (The rates include such things as benefits, PTO, Holidays, Marketing, Etc. But DO NOT INCLUDE travel expenses)

                Fulltime USD Per Annum

                Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr

                Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr

                20000

                16.2990196078431

                18.4722222222222

                25000

                20.3737745098039

                23.0902777777778

                30000

                24.4485294117647

                27.7083333333333

                35000

                28.5232843137255

                32.3263888888889

                40000

                32.5980392156863

                36.9444444444444

                45000

                36.6727941176471

                41.5625

                50000

                40.7475490196078

                46.1805555555556

                55000

                44.8223039215686

                50.7986111111111

                65000

                52.9718137254902

                60.0347222222222

                70000

                57.046568627451

                64.6527777777778

                85000

                69.2708333333333

                78.5069444444444

                90000

                73.3455882352941

                83.125

                95000

                77.4203431372549

                87.7430555555556

                100000

                81.4950980392157

                92.3611111111111

                105000

                85.5698529411765

                96.9791666666667

                110000

                89.6446078431373

                101.597222222222

                115000

                93.719362745098

                106.215277777778

                120000

                97.7941176470588

                110.833333333333

                125000

                101.86887254902

                115.451388888889

                130000

                105.94362745098

                120.069444444444

                135000

                110.018382352941

                124.6875

                140000

                114.093137254902

                129.305555555556

                145000

                118.167892156863

                133.923611111111

                150000

                122.242647058824

                138.541666666667

                155000

                126.317401960784

                143.159722222222

                165000

                134.466911764706

                152.3958333333

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                leppie
                wrote on last edited by
                #8

                Would a simple function be easier? ;P IOW:

                Fulltime USD Per Annum: x
                Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr: x/1226
                Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr: x/1082

                :)

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                • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                  I am thinking about putting this on my blog for the aid of the community at large but figured I would post here to see just how of base I really am. The basis for this is the continued series of questions I see asked and get asked which amounts to "What should I charge?". Just look up the annual salary you think you are worth with benefits and then look at the rate you should charge. (The rates include such things as benefits, PTO, Holidays, Marketing, Etc. But DO NOT INCLUDE travel expenses)

                  Fulltime USD Per Annum

                  Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr

                  Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr

                  20000

                  16.2990196078431

                  18.4722222222222

                  25000

                  20.3737745098039

                  23.0902777777778

                  30000

                  24.4485294117647

                  27.7083333333333

                  35000

                  28.5232843137255

                  32.3263888888889

                  40000

                  32.5980392156863

                  36.9444444444444

                  45000

                  36.6727941176471

                  41.5625

                  50000

                  40.7475490196078

                  46.1805555555556

                  55000

                  44.8223039215686

                  50.7986111111111

                  65000

                  52.9718137254902

                  60.0347222222222

                  70000

                  57.046568627451

                  64.6527777777778

                  85000

                  69.2708333333333

                  78.5069444444444

                  90000

                  73.3455882352941

                  83.125

                  95000

                  77.4203431372549

                  87.7430555555556

                  100000

                  81.4950980392157

                  92.3611111111111

                  105000

                  85.5698529411765

                  96.9791666666667

                  110000

                  89.6446078431373

                  101.597222222222

                  115000

                  93.719362745098

                  106.215277777778

                  120000

                  97.7941176470588

                  110.833333333333

                  125000

                  101.86887254902

                  115.451388888889

                  130000

                  105.94362745098

                  120.069444444444

                  135000

                  110.018382352941

                  124.6875

                  140000

                  114.093137254902

                  129.305555555556

                  145000

                  118.167892156863

                  133.923611111111

                  150000

                  122.242647058824

                  138.541666666667

                  155000

                  126.317401960784

                  143.159722222222

                  165000

                  134.466911764706

                  152.3958333333

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                  Rob Graham
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #9

                  so how did you arrive at the numbers? does this take into account the value of benefits (health ins., 401K contributions, holidays, vacations)? employer share of FICA/Medicare? How did you arrive at the penalty factor for no contract?

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                  • L leppie

                    Would a simple function be easier? ;P IOW:

                    Fulltime USD Per Annum: x
                    Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr: x/1226
                    Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr: x/1082

                    :)

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                    IronScheme - 1.0 alpha 3 out now

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                    Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #10

                    It would but then people would but I think people like tables. Plus looking at the divisor might incorrectly lead people to believe they only need to work that number of hours per year. When the actual result is only achieved with an effort to work 40 hours per week every week except for two weeks vacation and 10 holidays.

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                    • R Rob Graham

                      so how did you arrive at the numbers? does this take into account the value of benefits (health ins., 401K contributions, holidays, vacations)? employer share of FICA/Medicare? How did you arrive at the penalty factor for no contract?

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                      Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #11

                      It takes full into account health and benefits and fica medicare. There is some fudge factor based on down time between contracts. Up to %35 of your billable hours could be spent looking for contracts in some cases. Technically this is work, hard work, and needs to be accounted for. I like to think it can take up to 4 weeks to find a 6 month contract so I use, in my personal calculations a fudge factor of 8 weeks per year or 15% of available time as down time. The best way to use the number, let's use $50k again, is to say 41*1600 = 61,500 total expected revenue per year. $50k *.15 = FICA = $7500. Which leaves $4,000 for benefits. Which is a reasonable amount for someone with a $50k a year base salary. (I said reasonable not good) Of course, if you work more than 40 per week or have a better than average turn around on a contract you get the potential to earn profit.

                      Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
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                      • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                        I am thinking about putting this on my blog for the aid of the community at large but figured I would post here to see just how of base I really am. The basis for this is the continued series of questions I see asked and get asked which amounts to "What should I charge?". Just look up the annual salary you think you are worth with benefits and then look at the rate you should charge. (The rates include such things as benefits, PTO, Holidays, Marketing, Etc. But DO NOT INCLUDE travel expenses)

                        Fulltime USD Per Annum

                        Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr

                        Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr

                        20000

                        16.2990196078431

                        18.4722222222222

                        25000

                        20.3737745098039

                        23.0902777777778

                        30000

                        24.4485294117647

                        27.7083333333333

                        35000

                        28.5232843137255

                        32.3263888888889

                        40000

                        32.5980392156863

                        36.9444444444444

                        45000

                        36.6727941176471

                        41.5625

                        50000

                        40.7475490196078

                        46.1805555555556

                        55000

                        44.8223039215686

                        50.7986111111111

                        65000

                        52.9718137254902

                        60.0347222222222

                        70000

                        57.046568627451

                        64.6527777777778

                        85000

                        69.2708333333333

                        78.5069444444444

                        90000

                        73.3455882352941

                        83.125

                        95000

                        77.4203431372549

                        87.7430555555556

                        100000

                        81.4950980392157

                        92.3611111111111

                        105000

                        85.5698529411765

                        96.9791666666667

                        110000

                        89.6446078431373

                        101.597222222222

                        115000

                        93.719362745098

                        106.215277777778

                        120000

                        97.7941176470588

                        110.833333333333

                        125000

                        101.86887254902

                        115.451388888889

                        130000

                        105.94362745098

                        120.069444444444

                        135000

                        110.018382352941

                        124.6875

                        140000

                        114.093137254902

                        129.305555555556

                        145000

                        118.167892156863

                        133.923611111111

                        150000

                        122.242647058824

                        138.541666666667

                        155000

                        126.317401960784

                        143.159722222222

                        165000

                        134.466911764706

                        152.3958333333

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                        Member 96
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #12

                        Why'd you stop at 180k? :) I'm guessing if I was a consultant my hourly rate would be through the roof. :cool:


                        "The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot

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                        • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                          Yeah, on my blog I am going to format it but when I post on CP I have to allow little errors in my comments so people can offer funny critiques.

                          Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
                          Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway

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                          Member 96
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #13

                          :laugh: Even if there aren't any errors you'll get lot's of little critiques from this anal retentive bunch. :)


                          "The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot

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                          • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                            I didn't add all those line breaks in the message it just occurs when I did the table?

                            Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
                            Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway

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                            Bruce Chapman DNN
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #14

                            It's an interesting table. Funnily enough you are within a couple of percent of what I charge / think I should earn if I were to get a job. Now I'd like to see a spreadsheet on how I can convince people that a $20/hr outsourced developer is not comparing apples with apples. Incidentally, do you advertise your rates or just save them up for when people ask?

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                              It's an interesting table. Funnily enough you are within a couple of percent of what I charge / think I should earn if I were to get a job. Now I'd like to see a spreadsheet on how I can convince people that a $20/hr outsourced developer is not comparing apples with apples. Incidentally, do you advertise your rates or just save them up for when people ask?

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                              Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #15

                              I don't publish them online because there is so much competition online and many people will not call if they see you as too expensive. Its not top secret though, if it's something you are interested in send an email and I will give you the skinny.

                              Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
                              Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway

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                              • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                                I am thinking about putting this on my blog for the aid of the community at large but figured I would post here to see just how of base I really am. The basis for this is the continued series of questions I see asked and get asked which amounts to "What should I charge?". Just look up the annual salary you think you are worth with benefits and then look at the rate you should charge. (The rates include such things as benefits, PTO, Holidays, Marketing, Etc. But DO NOT INCLUDE travel expenses)

                                Fulltime USD Per Annum

                                Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr

                                Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr

                                20000

                                16.2990196078431

                                18.4722222222222

                                25000

                                20.3737745098039

                                23.0902777777778

                                30000

                                24.4485294117647

                                27.7083333333333

                                35000

                                28.5232843137255

                                32.3263888888889

                                40000

                                32.5980392156863

                                36.9444444444444

                                45000

                                36.6727941176471

                                41.5625

                                50000

                                40.7475490196078

                                46.1805555555556

                                55000

                                44.8223039215686

                                50.7986111111111

                                65000

                                52.9718137254902

                                60.0347222222222

                                70000

                                57.046568627451

                                64.6527777777778

                                85000

                                69.2708333333333

                                78.5069444444444

                                90000

                                73.3455882352941

                                83.125

                                95000

                                77.4203431372549

                                87.7430555555556

                                100000

                                81.4950980392157

                                92.3611111111111

                                105000

                                85.5698529411765

                                96.9791666666667

                                110000

                                89.6446078431373

                                101.597222222222

                                115000

                                93.719362745098

                                106.215277777778

                                120000

                                97.7941176470588

                                110.833333333333

                                125000

                                101.86887254902

                                115.451388888889

                                130000

                                105.94362745098

                                120.069444444444

                                135000

                                110.018382352941

                                124.6875

                                140000

                                114.093137254902

                                129.305555555556

                                145000

                                118.167892156863

                                133.923611111111

                                150000

                                122.242647058824

                                138.541666666667

                                155000

                                126.317401960784

                                143.159722222222

                                165000

                                134.466911764706

                                152.3958333333

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                                ftw melvin
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #16

                                I'd lose everything after the second decimal place for readability if you are going to post it. Interesting calculation, as a rule of thumb you are saying $1000 ~= 80c an hour. Converting this into English, if Joe Senior Dev earned around £40,000 per year they should only consider resuming contracting, after say six year's permanent frustration, if they were happy you could get £32 per hour consistently. I think you've made my Joe's mind up!

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                                • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                                  I am thinking about putting this on my blog for the aid of the community at large but figured I would post here to see just how of base I really am. The basis for this is the continued series of questions I see asked and get asked which amounts to "What should I charge?". Just look up the annual salary you think you are worth with benefits and then look at the rate you should charge. (The rates include such things as benefits, PTO, Holidays, Marketing, Etc. But DO NOT INCLUDE travel expenses)

                                  Fulltime USD Per Annum

                                  Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr

                                  Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr

                                  20000

                                  16.2990196078431

                                  18.4722222222222

                                  25000

                                  20.3737745098039

                                  23.0902777777778

                                  30000

                                  24.4485294117647

                                  27.7083333333333

                                  35000

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                                  http://www.contractorcalculator.co.uk/[^]

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                                    http://www.contractorcalculator.co.uk/[^]

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                                    The results of that calculator are no where near my results. I think mine are more realistic.

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                                      The results of that calculator are no where near my results. I think mine are more realistic.

                                      Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
                                      Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway

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                                      I'm sure yours are well researched, the tax conditions in the UK compared to the USA are quite different which could account for the difference. Just wanted to show you an alternative.

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