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  • L leppie

    Would a simple function be easier? ;P IOW:

    Fulltime USD Per Annum: x
    Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr: x/1226
    Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr: x/1082

    :)

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    Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
    wrote on last edited by
    #10

    It would but then people would but I think people like tables. Plus looking at the divisor might incorrectly lead people to believe they only need to work that number of hours per year. When the actual result is only achieved with an effort to work 40 hours per week every week except for two weeks vacation and 10 holidays.

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    • R Rob Graham

      so how did you arrive at the numbers? does this take into account the value of benefits (health ins., 401K contributions, holidays, vacations)? employer share of FICA/Medicare? How did you arrive at the penalty factor for no contract?

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      Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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      #11

      It takes full into account health and benefits and fica medicare. There is some fudge factor based on down time between contracts. Up to %35 of your billable hours could be spent looking for contracts in some cases. Technically this is work, hard work, and needs to be accounted for. I like to think it can take up to 4 weeks to find a 6 month contract so I use, in my personal calculations a fudge factor of 8 weeks per year or 15% of available time as down time. The best way to use the number, let's use $50k again, is to say 41*1600 = 61,500 total expected revenue per year. $50k *.15 = FICA = $7500. Which leaves $4,000 for benefits. Which is a reasonable amount for someone with a $50k a year base salary. (I said reasonable not good) Of course, if you work more than 40 per week or have a better than average turn around on a contract you get the potential to earn profit.

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      • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

        I am thinking about putting this on my blog for the aid of the community at large but figured I would post here to see just how of base I really am. The basis for this is the continued series of questions I see asked and get asked which amounts to "What should I charge?". Just look up the annual salary you think you are worth with benefits and then look at the rate you should charge. (The rates include such things as benefits, PTO, Holidays, Marketing, Etc. But DO NOT INCLUDE travel expenses)

        Fulltime USD Per Annum

        Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr

        Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr

        20000

        16.2990196078431

        18.4722222222222

        25000

        20.3737745098039

        23.0902777777778

        30000

        24.4485294117647

        27.7083333333333

        35000

        28.5232843137255

        32.3263888888889

        40000

        32.5980392156863

        36.9444444444444

        45000

        36.6727941176471

        41.5625

        50000

        40.7475490196078

        46.1805555555556

        55000

        44.8223039215686

        50.7986111111111

        65000

        52.9718137254902

        60.0347222222222

        70000

        57.046568627451

        64.6527777777778

        85000

        69.2708333333333

        78.5069444444444

        90000

        73.3455882352941

        83.125

        95000

        77.4203431372549

        87.7430555555556

        100000

        81.4950980392157

        92.3611111111111

        105000

        85.5698529411765

        96.9791666666667

        110000

        89.6446078431373

        101.597222222222

        115000

        93.719362745098

        106.215277777778

        120000

        97.7941176470588

        110.833333333333

        125000

        101.86887254902

        115.451388888889

        130000

        105.94362745098

        120.069444444444

        135000

        110.018382352941

        124.6875

        140000

        114.093137254902

        129.305555555556

        145000

        118.167892156863

        133.923611111111

        150000

        122.242647058824

        138.541666666667

        155000

        126.317401960784

        143.159722222222

        165000

        134.466911764706

        152.3958333333

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        wrote on last edited by
        #12

        Why'd you stop at 180k? :) I'm guessing if I was a consultant my hourly rate would be through the roof. :cool:


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        • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

          Yeah, on my blog I am going to format it but when I post on CP I have to allow little errors in my comments so people can offer funny critiques.

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          Member 96
          wrote on last edited by
          #13

          :laugh: Even if there aren't any errors you'll get lot's of little critiques from this anal retentive bunch. :)


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          • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

            I didn't add all those line breaks in the message it just occurs when I did the table?

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            Bruce Chapman DNN
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            #14

            It's an interesting table. Funnily enough you are within a couple of percent of what I charge / think I should earn if I were to get a job. Now I'd like to see a spreadsheet on how I can convince people that a $20/hr outsourced developer is not comparing apples with apples. Incidentally, do you advertise your rates or just save them up for when people ask?

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            • B Bruce Chapman DNN

              It's an interesting table. Funnily enough you are within a couple of percent of what I charge / think I should earn if I were to get a job. Now I'd like to see a spreadsheet on how I can convince people that a $20/hr outsourced developer is not comparing apples with apples. Incidentally, do you advertise your rates or just save them up for when people ask?

              Bruce Chapman iFinity.com.au - Websites and Software Development | Do you need a specialist DotNetNuke developer? Plithy remark available in Beta 2

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              Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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              #15

              I don't publish them online because there is so much competition online and many people will not call if they see you as too expensive. Its not top secret though, if it's something you are interested in send an email and I will give you the skinny.

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              • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                I am thinking about putting this on my blog for the aid of the community at large but figured I would post here to see just how of base I really am. The basis for this is the continued series of questions I see asked and get asked which amounts to "What should I charge?". Just look up the annual salary you think you are worth with benefits and then look at the rate you should charge. (The rates include such things as benefits, PTO, Holidays, Marketing, Etc. But DO NOT INCLUDE travel expenses)

                Fulltime USD Per Annum

                Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr

                Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr

                20000

                16.2990196078431

                18.4722222222222

                25000

                20.3737745098039

                23.0902777777778

                30000

                24.4485294117647

                27.7083333333333

                35000

                28.5232843137255

                32.3263888888889

                40000

                32.5980392156863

                36.9444444444444

                45000

                36.6727941176471

                41.5625

                50000

                40.7475490196078

                46.1805555555556

                55000

                44.8223039215686

                50.7986111111111

                65000

                52.9718137254902

                60.0347222222222

                70000

                57.046568627451

                64.6527777777778

                85000

                69.2708333333333

                78.5069444444444

                90000

                73.3455882352941

                83.125

                95000

                77.4203431372549

                87.7430555555556

                100000

                81.4950980392157

                92.3611111111111

                105000

                85.5698529411765

                96.9791666666667

                110000

                89.6446078431373

                101.597222222222

                115000

                93.719362745098

                106.215277777778

                120000

                97.7941176470588

                110.833333333333

                125000

                101.86887254902

                115.451388888889

                130000

                105.94362745098

                120.069444444444

                135000

                110.018382352941

                124.6875

                140000

                114.093137254902

                129.305555555556

                145000

                118.167892156863

                133.923611111111

                150000

                122.242647058824

                138.541666666667

                155000

                126.317401960784

                143.159722222222

                165000

                134.466911764706

                152.3958333333

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                ftw melvin
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                #16

                I'd lose everything after the second decimal place for readability if you are going to post it. Interesting calculation, as a rule of thumb you are saying $1000 ~= 80c an hour. Converting this into English, if Joe Senior Dev earned around £40,000 per year they should only consider resuming contracting, after say six year's permanent frustration, if they were happy you could get £32 per hour consistently. I think you've made my Joe's mind up!

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                • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                  I am thinking about putting this on my blog for the aid of the community at large but figured I would post here to see just how of base I really am. The basis for this is the continued series of questions I see asked and get asked which amounts to "What should I charge?". Just look up the annual salary you think you are worth with benefits and then look at the rate you should charge. (The rates include such things as benefits, PTO, Holidays, Marketing, Etc. But DO NOT INCLUDE travel expenses)

                  Fulltime USD Per Annum

                  Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr

                  Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr

                  20000

                  16.2990196078431

                  18.4722222222222

                  25000

                  20.3737745098039

                  23.0902777777778

                  30000

                  24.4485294117647

                  27.7083333333333

                  35000

                  28.5232843137255

                  32.3263888888889

                  40000

                  32.5980392156863

                  36.9444444444444

                  45000

                  36.6727941176471

                  41.5625

                  50000

                  40.7475490196078

                  46.1805555555556

                  55000

                  44.8223039215686

                  50.7986111111111

                  65000

                  52.9718137254902

                  60.0347222222222

                  70000

                  57.046568627451

                  64.6527777777778

                  85000

                  69.2708333333333

                  78.5069444444444

                  90000

                  73.3455882352941

                  83.125

                  95000

                  77.4203431372549

                  87.7430555555556

                  100000

                  81.4950980392157

                  92.3611111111111

                  105000

                  85.5698529411765

                  96.9791666666667

                  110000

                  89.6446078431373

                  101.597222222222

                  115000

                  93.719362745098

                  106.215277777778

                  120000

                  97.7941176470588

                  110.833333333333

                  125000

                  101.86887254902

                  115.451388888889

                  130000

                  105.94362745098

                  120.069444444444

                  135000

                  110.018382352941

                  124.6875

                  140000

                  114.093137254902

                  129.305555555556

                  145000

                  118.167892156863

                  133.923611111111

                  150000

                  122.242647058824

                  138.541666666667

                  155000

                  126.317401960784

                  143.159722222222

                  165000

                  134.466911764706

                  152.3958333333

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                  ftw melvin
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #17

                  http://www.contractorcalculator.co.uk/[^]

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                  • F ftw melvin

                    http://www.contractorcalculator.co.uk/[^]

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                    Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #18

                    The results of that calculator are no where near my results. I think mine are more realistic.

                    Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
                    Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway

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                    • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                      The results of that calculator are no where near my results. I think mine are more realistic.

                      Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
                      Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway

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                      ftw melvin
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #19

                      I'm sure yours are well researched, the tax conditions in the UK compared to the USA are quite different which could account for the difference. Just wanted to show you an alternative.

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