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  • X Xiangyang Liu

    Wow, I like the amount of money I could have made doing consulting and felt bad that I did not. :-D

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    Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
    wrote on last edited by
    #5

    Well it isn't an amount but a direct correlation. If you think you are worth, let's say $50k a year annual salary you should charge $41 an hour for a 6 month contract. In the end it will be about the same on the annual taxes.

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    • M MidwestLimey

      Excuses, excuses ... -0.0039485 per hour for you! :D


      I'm largely language agnostic


      After a while they all bug me :doh:


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      Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
      wrote on last edited by
      #6

      Yeah, on my blog I am going to format it but when I post on CP I have to allow little errors in my comments so people can offer funny critiques.

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      • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

        Well it isn't an amount but a direct correlation. If you think you are worth, let's say $50k a year annual salary you should charge $41 an hour for a 6 month contract. In the end it will be about the same on the annual taxes.

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        PIEBALDconsult
        wrote on last edited by
        #7

        No, 92, and take the other six months off.

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        • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

          I am thinking about putting this on my blog for the aid of the community at large but figured I would post here to see just how of base I really am. The basis for this is the continued series of questions I see asked and get asked which amounts to "What should I charge?". Just look up the annual salary you think you are worth with benefits and then look at the rate you should charge. (The rates include such things as benefits, PTO, Holidays, Marketing, Etc. But DO NOT INCLUDE travel expenses)

          Fulltime USD Per Annum

          Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr

          Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr

          20000

          16.2990196078431

          18.4722222222222

          25000

          20.3737745098039

          23.0902777777778

          30000

          24.4485294117647

          27.7083333333333

          35000

          28.5232843137255

          32.3263888888889

          40000

          32.5980392156863

          36.9444444444444

          45000

          36.6727941176471

          41.5625

          50000

          40.7475490196078

          46.1805555555556

          55000

          44.8223039215686

          50.7986111111111

          65000

          52.9718137254902

          60.0347222222222

          70000

          57.046568627451

          64.6527777777778

          85000

          69.2708333333333

          78.5069444444444

          90000

          73.3455882352941

          83.125

          95000

          77.4203431372549

          87.7430555555556

          100000

          81.4950980392157

          92.3611111111111

          105000

          85.5698529411765

          96.9791666666667

          110000

          89.6446078431373

          101.597222222222

          115000

          93.719362745098

          106.215277777778

          120000

          97.7941176470588

          110.833333333333

          125000

          101.86887254902

          115.451388888889

          130000

          105.94362745098

          120.069444444444

          135000

          110.018382352941

          124.6875

          140000

          114.093137254902

          129.305555555556

          145000

          118.167892156863

          133.923611111111

          150000

          122.242647058824

          138.541666666667

          155000

          126.317401960784

          143.159722222222

          165000

          134.466911764706

          152.3958333333

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          leppie
          wrote on last edited by
          #8

          Would a simple function be easier? ;P IOW:

          Fulltime USD Per Annum: x
          Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr: x/1226
          Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr: x/1082

          :)

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          • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

            I am thinking about putting this on my blog for the aid of the community at large but figured I would post here to see just how of base I really am. The basis for this is the continued series of questions I see asked and get asked which amounts to "What should I charge?". Just look up the annual salary you think you are worth with benefits and then look at the rate you should charge. (The rates include such things as benefits, PTO, Holidays, Marketing, Etc. But DO NOT INCLUDE travel expenses)

            Fulltime USD Per Annum

            Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr

            Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr

            20000

            16.2990196078431

            18.4722222222222

            25000

            20.3737745098039

            23.0902777777778

            30000

            24.4485294117647

            27.7083333333333

            35000

            28.5232843137255

            32.3263888888889

            40000

            32.5980392156863

            36.9444444444444

            45000

            36.6727941176471

            41.5625

            50000

            40.7475490196078

            46.1805555555556

            55000

            44.8223039215686

            50.7986111111111

            65000

            52.9718137254902

            60.0347222222222

            70000

            57.046568627451

            64.6527777777778

            85000

            69.2708333333333

            78.5069444444444

            90000

            73.3455882352941

            83.125

            95000

            77.4203431372549

            87.7430555555556

            100000

            81.4950980392157

            92.3611111111111

            105000

            85.5698529411765

            96.9791666666667

            110000

            89.6446078431373

            101.597222222222

            115000

            93.719362745098

            106.215277777778

            120000

            97.7941176470588

            110.833333333333

            125000

            101.86887254902

            115.451388888889

            130000

            105.94362745098

            120.069444444444

            135000

            110.018382352941

            124.6875

            140000

            114.093137254902

            129.305555555556

            145000

            118.167892156863

            133.923611111111

            150000

            122.242647058824

            138.541666666667

            155000

            126.317401960784

            143.159722222222

            165000

            134.466911764706

            152.3958333333

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            Rob Graham
            wrote on last edited by
            #9

            so how did you arrive at the numbers? does this take into account the value of benefits (health ins., 401K contributions, holidays, vacations)? employer share of FICA/Medicare? How did you arrive at the penalty factor for no contract?

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            • L leppie

              Would a simple function be easier? ;P IOW:

              Fulltime USD Per Annum: x
              Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr: x/1226
              Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr: x/1082

              :)

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              Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
              wrote on last edited by
              #10

              It would but then people would but I think people like tables. Plus looking at the divisor might incorrectly lead people to believe they only need to work that number of hours per year. When the actual result is only achieved with an effort to work 40 hours per week every week except for two weeks vacation and 10 holidays.

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              • R Rob Graham

                so how did you arrive at the numbers? does this take into account the value of benefits (health ins., 401K contributions, holidays, vacations)? employer share of FICA/Medicare? How did you arrive at the penalty factor for no contract?

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                Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
                wrote on last edited by
                #11

                It takes full into account health and benefits and fica medicare. There is some fudge factor based on down time between contracts. Up to %35 of your billable hours could be spent looking for contracts in some cases. Technically this is work, hard work, and needs to be accounted for. I like to think it can take up to 4 weeks to find a 6 month contract so I use, in my personal calculations a fudge factor of 8 weeks per year or 15% of available time as down time. The best way to use the number, let's use $50k again, is to say 41*1600 = 61,500 total expected revenue per year. $50k *.15 = FICA = $7500. Which leaves $4,000 for benefits. Which is a reasonable amount for someone with a $50k a year base salary. (I said reasonable not good) Of course, if you work more than 40 per week or have a better than average turn around on a contract you get the potential to earn profit.

                Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
                Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway

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                • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                  I am thinking about putting this on my blog for the aid of the community at large but figured I would post here to see just how of base I really am. The basis for this is the continued series of questions I see asked and get asked which amounts to "What should I charge?". Just look up the annual salary you think you are worth with benefits and then look at the rate you should charge. (The rates include such things as benefits, PTO, Holidays, Marketing, Etc. But DO NOT INCLUDE travel expenses)

                  Fulltime USD Per Annum

                  Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr

                  Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr

                  20000

                  16.2990196078431

                  18.4722222222222

                  25000

                  20.3737745098039

                  23.0902777777778

                  30000

                  24.4485294117647

                  27.7083333333333

                  35000

                  28.5232843137255

                  32.3263888888889

                  40000

                  32.5980392156863

                  36.9444444444444

                  45000

                  36.6727941176471

                  41.5625

                  50000

                  40.7475490196078

                  46.1805555555556

                  55000

                  44.8223039215686

                  50.7986111111111

                  65000

                  52.9718137254902

                  60.0347222222222

                  70000

                  57.046568627451

                  64.6527777777778

                  85000

                  69.2708333333333

                  78.5069444444444

                  90000

                  73.3455882352941

                  83.125

                  95000

                  77.4203431372549

                  87.7430555555556

                  100000

                  81.4950980392157

                  92.3611111111111

                  105000

                  85.5698529411765

                  96.9791666666667

                  110000

                  89.6446078431373

                  101.597222222222

                  115000

                  93.719362745098

                  106.215277777778

                  120000

                  97.7941176470588

                  110.833333333333

                  125000

                  101.86887254902

                  115.451388888889

                  130000

                  105.94362745098

                  120.069444444444

                  135000

                  110.018382352941

                  124.6875

                  140000

                  114.093137254902

                  129.305555555556

                  145000

                  118.167892156863

                  133.923611111111

                  150000

                  122.242647058824

                  138.541666666667

                  155000

                  126.317401960784

                  143.159722222222

                  165000

                  134.466911764706

                  152.3958333333

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                  Member 96
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #12

                  Why'd you stop at 180k? :) I'm guessing if I was a consultant my hourly rate would be through the roof. :cool:


                  "The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot

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                  • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                    Yeah, on my blog I am going to format it but when I post on CP I have to allow little errors in my comments so people can offer funny critiques.

                    Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
                    Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway

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                    Member 96
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #13

                    :laugh: Even if there aren't any errors you'll get lot's of little critiques from this anal retentive bunch. :)


                    "The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot

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                    • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                      I didn't add all those line breaks in the message it just occurs when I did the table?

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                      Bruce Chapman DNN
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #14

                      It's an interesting table. Funnily enough you are within a couple of percent of what I charge / think I should earn if I were to get a job. Now I'd like to see a spreadsheet on how I can convince people that a $20/hr outsourced developer is not comparing apples with apples. Incidentally, do you advertise your rates or just save them up for when people ask?

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                      • B Bruce Chapman DNN

                        It's an interesting table. Funnily enough you are within a couple of percent of what I charge / think I should earn if I were to get a job. Now I'd like to see a spreadsheet on how I can convince people that a $20/hr outsourced developer is not comparing apples with apples. Incidentally, do you advertise your rates or just save them up for when people ask?

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                        Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #15

                        I don't publish them online because there is so much competition online and many people will not call if they see you as too expensive. Its not top secret though, if it's something you are interested in send an email and I will give you the skinny.

                        Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
                        Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway

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                        • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                          I am thinking about putting this on my blog for the aid of the community at large but figured I would post here to see just how of base I really am. The basis for this is the continued series of questions I see asked and get asked which amounts to "What should I charge?". Just look up the annual salary you think you are worth with benefits and then look at the rate you should charge. (The rates include such things as benefits, PTO, Holidays, Marketing, Etc. But DO NOT INCLUDE travel expenses)

                          Fulltime USD Per Annum

                          Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr

                          Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr

                          20000

                          16.2990196078431

                          18.4722222222222

                          25000

                          20.3737745098039

                          23.0902777777778

                          30000

                          24.4485294117647

                          27.7083333333333

                          35000

                          28.5232843137255

                          32.3263888888889

                          40000

                          32.5980392156863

                          36.9444444444444

                          45000

                          36.6727941176471

                          41.5625

                          50000

                          40.7475490196078

                          46.1805555555556

                          55000

                          44.8223039215686

                          50.7986111111111

                          65000

                          52.9718137254902

                          60.0347222222222

                          70000

                          57.046568627451

                          64.6527777777778

                          85000

                          69.2708333333333

                          78.5069444444444

                          90000

                          73.3455882352941

                          83.125

                          95000

                          77.4203431372549

                          87.7430555555556

                          100000

                          81.4950980392157

                          92.3611111111111

                          105000

                          85.5698529411765

                          96.9791666666667

                          110000

                          89.6446078431373

                          101.597222222222

                          115000

                          93.719362745098

                          106.215277777778

                          120000

                          97.7941176470588

                          110.833333333333

                          125000

                          101.86887254902

                          115.451388888889

                          130000

                          105.94362745098

                          120.069444444444

                          135000

                          110.018382352941

                          124.6875

                          140000

                          114.093137254902

                          129.305555555556

                          145000

                          118.167892156863

                          133.923611111111

                          150000

                          122.242647058824

                          138.541666666667

                          155000

                          126.317401960784

                          143.159722222222

                          165000

                          134.466911764706

                          152.3958333333

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                          ftw melvin
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #16

                          I'd lose everything after the second decimal place for readability if you are going to post it. Interesting calculation, as a rule of thumb you are saying $1000 ~= 80c an hour. Converting this into English, if Joe Senior Dev earned around £40,000 per year they should only consider resuming contracting, after say six year's permanent frustration, if they were happy you could get £32 per hour consistently. I think you've made my Joe's mind up!

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                          • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                            I am thinking about putting this on my blog for the aid of the community at large but figured I would post here to see just how of base I really am. The basis for this is the continued series of questions I see asked and get asked which amounts to "What should I charge?". Just look up the annual salary you think you are worth with benefits and then look at the rate you should charge. (The rates include such things as benefits, PTO, Holidays, Marketing, Etc. But DO NOT INCLUDE travel expenses)

                            Fulltime USD Per Annum

                            Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr

                            Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr

                            20000

                            16.2990196078431

                            18.4722222222222

                            25000

                            20.3737745098039

                            23.0902777777778

                            30000

                            24.4485294117647

                            27.7083333333333

                            35000

                            28.5232843137255

                            32.3263888888889

                            40000

                            32.5980392156863

                            36.9444444444444

                            45000

                            36.6727941176471

                            41.5625

                            50000

                            40.7475490196078

                            46.1805555555556

                            55000

                            44.8223039215686

                            50.7986111111111

                            65000

                            52.9718137254902

                            60.0347222222222

                            70000

                            57.046568627451

                            64.6527777777778

                            85000

                            69.2708333333333

                            78.5069444444444

                            90000

                            73.3455882352941

                            83.125

                            95000

                            77.4203431372549

                            87.7430555555556

                            100000

                            81.4950980392157

                            92.3611111111111

                            105000

                            85.5698529411765

                            96.9791666666667

                            110000

                            89.6446078431373

                            101.597222222222

                            115000

                            93.719362745098

                            106.215277777778

                            120000

                            97.7941176470588

                            110.833333333333

                            125000

                            101.86887254902

                            115.451388888889

                            130000

                            105.94362745098

                            120.069444444444

                            135000

                            110.018382352941

                            124.6875

                            140000

                            114.093137254902

                            129.305555555556

                            145000

                            118.167892156863

                            133.923611111111

                            150000

                            122.242647058824

                            138.541666666667

                            155000

                            126.317401960784

                            143.159722222222

                            165000

                            134.466911764706

                            152.3958333333

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                            ftw melvin
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #17

                            http://www.contractorcalculator.co.uk/[^]

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                              http://www.contractorcalculator.co.uk/[^]

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                              Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #18

                              The results of that calculator are no where near my results. I think mine are more realistic.

                              Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
                              Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway

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                              • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                                The results of that calculator are no where near my results. I think mine are more realistic.

                                Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
                                Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway

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                                ftw melvin
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #19

                                I'm sure yours are well researched, the tax conditions in the UK compared to the USA are quite different which could account for the difference. Just wanted to show you an alternative.

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