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  • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

    I am thinking about putting this on my blog for the aid of the community at large but figured I would post here to see just how of base I really am. The basis for this is the continued series of questions I see asked and get asked which amounts to "What should I charge?". Just look up the annual salary you think you are worth with benefits and then look at the rate you should charge. (The rates include such things as benefits, PTO, Holidays, Marketing, Etc. But DO NOT INCLUDE travel expenses)

    Fulltime USD Per Annum

    Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr

    Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr

    20000

    16.2990196078431

    18.4722222222222

    25000

    20.3737745098039

    23.0902777777778

    30000

    24.4485294117647

    27.7083333333333

    35000

    28.5232843137255

    32.3263888888889

    40000

    32.5980392156863

    36.9444444444444

    45000

    36.6727941176471

    41.5625

    50000

    40.7475490196078

    46.1805555555556

    55000

    44.8223039215686

    50.7986111111111

    65000

    52.9718137254902

    60.0347222222222

    70000

    57.046568627451

    64.6527777777778

    85000

    69.2708333333333

    78.5069444444444

    90000

    73.3455882352941

    83.125

    95000

    77.4203431372549

    87.7430555555556

    100000

    81.4950980392157

    92.3611111111111

    105000

    85.5698529411765

    96.9791666666667

    110000

    89.6446078431373

    101.597222222222

    115000

    93.719362745098

    106.215277777778

    120000

    97.7941176470588

    110.833333333333

    125000

    101.86887254902

    115.451388888889

    130000

    105.94362745098

    120.069444444444

    135000

    110.018382352941

    124.6875

    140000

    114.093137254902

    129.305555555556

    145000

    118.167892156863

    133.923611111111

    150000

    122.242647058824

    138.541666666667

    155000

    126.317401960784

    143.159722222222

    165000

    134.466911764706

    152.3958333333

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    Rob Graham
    wrote on last edited by
    #9

    so how did you arrive at the numbers? does this take into account the value of benefits (health ins., 401K contributions, holidays, vacations)? employer share of FICA/Medicare? How did you arrive at the penalty factor for no contract?

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    • L leppie

      Would a simple function be easier? ;P IOW:

      Fulltime USD Per Annum: x
      Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr: x/1226
      Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr: x/1082

      :)

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      Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
      wrote on last edited by
      #10

      It would but then people would but I think people like tables. Plus looking at the divisor might incorrectly lead people to believe they only need to work that number of hours per year. When the actual result is only achieved with an effort to work 40 hours per week every week except for two weeks vacation and 10 holidays.

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      • R Rob Graham

        so how did you arrive at the numbers? does this take into account the value of benefits (health ins., 401K contributions, holidays, vacations)? employer share of FICA/Medicare? How did you arrive at the penalty factor for no contract?

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        Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
        wrote on last edited by
        #11

        It takes full into account health and benefits and fica medicare. There is some fudge factor based on down time between contracts. Up to %35 of your billable hours could be spent looking for contracts in some cases. Technically this is work, hard work, and needs to be accounted for. I like to think it can take up to 4 weeks to find a 6 month contract so I use, in my personal calculations a fudge factor of 8 weeks per year or 15% of available time as down time. The best way to use the number, let's use $50k again, is to say 41*1600 = 61,500 total expected revenue per year. $50k *.15 = FICA = $7500. Which leaves $4,000 for benefits. Which is a reasonable amount for someone with a $50k a year base salary. (I said reasonable not good) Of course, if you work more than 40 per week or have a better than average turn around on a contract you get the potential to earn profit.

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        • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

          I am thinking about putting this on my blog for the aid of the community at large but figured I would post here to see just how of base I really am. The basis for this is the continued series of questions I see asked and get asked which amounts to "What should I charge?". Just look up the annual salary you think you are worth with benefits and then look at the rate you should charge. (The rates include such things as benefits, PTO, Holidays, Marketing, Etc. But DO NOT INCLUDE travel expenses)

          Fulltime USD Per Annum

          Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr

          Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr

          20000

          16.2990196078431

          18.4722222222222

          25000

          20.3737745098039

          23.0902777777778

          30000

          24.4485294117647

          27.7083333333333

          35000

          28.5232843137255

          32.3263888888889

          40000

          32.5980392156863

          36.9444444444444

          45000

          36.6727941176471

          41.5625

          50000

          40.7475490196078

          46.1805555555556

          55000

          44.8223039215686

          50.7986111111111

          65000

          52.9718137254902

          60.0347222222222

          70000

          57.046568627451

          64.6527777777778

          85000

          69.2708333333333

          78.5069444444444

          90000

          73.3455882352941

          83.125

          95000

          77.4203431372549

          87.7430555555556

          100000

          81.4950980392157

          92.3611111111111

          105000

          85.5698529411765

          96.9791666666667

          110000

          89.6446078431373

          101.597222222222

          115000

          93.719362745098

          106.215277777778

          120000

          97.7941176470588

          110.833333333333

          125000

          101.86887254902

          115.451388888889

          130000

          105.94362745098

          120.069444444444

          135000

          110.018382352941

          124.6875

          140000

          114.093137254902

          129.305555555556

          145000

          118.167892156863

          133.923611111111

          150000

          122.242647058824

          138.541666666667

          155000

          126.317401960784

          143.159722222222

          165000

          134.466911764706

          152.3958333333

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          Member 96
          wrote on last edited by
          #12

          Why'd you stop at 180k? :) I'm guessing if I was a consultant my hourly rate would be through the roof. :cool:


          "The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot

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          • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

            Yeah, on my blog I am going to format it but when I post on CP I have to allow little errors in my comments so people can offer funny critiques.

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            Member 96
            wrote on last edited by
            #13

            :laugh: Even if there aren't any errors you'll get lot's of little critiques from this anal retentive bunch. :)


            "The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot

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            • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

              I didn't add all those line breaks in the message it just occurs when I did the table?

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              Bruce Chapman DNN
              wrote on last edited by
              #14

              It's an interesting table. Funnily enough you are within a couple of percent of what I charge / think I should earn if I were to get a job. Now I'd like to see a spreadsheet on how I can convince people that a $20/hr outsourced developer is not comparing apples with apples. Incidentally, do you advertise your rates or just save them up for when people ask?

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              • B Bruce Chapman DNN

                It's an interesting table. Funnily enough you are within a couple of percent of what I charge / think I should earn if I were to get a job. Now I'd like to see a spreadsheet on how I can convince people that a $20/hr outsourced developer is not comparing apples with apples. Incidentally, do you advertise your rates or just save them up for when people ask?

                Bruce Chapman iFinity.com.au - Websites and Software Development | Do you need a specialist DotNetNuke developer? Plithy remark available in Beta 2

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                Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
                wrote on last edited by
                #15

                I don't publish them online because there is so much competition online and many people will not call if they see you as too expensive. Its not top secret though, if it's something you are interested in send an email and I will give you the skinny.

                Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
                Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway

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                • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                  I am thinking about putting this on my blog for the aid of the community at large but figured I would post here to see just how of base I really am. The basis for this is the continued series of questions I see asked and get asked which amounts to "What should I charge?". Just look up the annual salary you think you are worth with benefits and then look at the rate you should charge. (The rates include such things as benefits, PTO, Holidays, Marketing, Etc. But DO NOT INCLUDE travel expenses)

                  Fulltime USD Per Annum

                  Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr

                  Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr

                  20000

                  16.2990196078431

                  18.4722222222222

                  25000

                  20.3737745098039

                  23.0902777777778

                  30000

                  24.4485294117647

                  27.7083333333333

                  35000

                  28.5232843137255

                  32.3263888888889

                  40000

                  32.5980392156863

                  36.9444444444444

                  45000

                  36.6727941176471

                  41.5625

                  50000

                  40.7475490196078

                  46.1805555555556

                  55000

                  44.8223039215686

                  50.7986111111111

                  65000

                  52.9718137254902

                  60.0347222222222

                  70000

                  57.046568627451

                  64.6527777777778

                  85000

                  69.2708333333333

                  78.5069444444444

                  90000

                  73.3455882352941

                  83.125

                  95000

                  77.4203431372549

                  87.7430555555556

                  100000

                  81.4950980392157

                  92.3611111111111

                  105000

                  85.5698529411765

                  96.9791666666667

                  110000

                  89.6446078431373

                  101.597222222222

                  115000

                  93.719362745098

                  106.215277777778

                  120000

                  97.7941176470588

                  110.833333333333

                  125000

                  101.86887254902

                  115.451388888889

                  130000

                  105.94362745098

                  120.069444444444

                  135000

                  110.018382352941

                  124.6875

                  140000

                  114.093137254902

                  129.305555555556

                  145000

                  118.167892156863

                  133.923611111111

                  150000

                  122.242647058824

                  138.541666666667

                  155000

                  126.317401960784

                  143.159722222222

                  165000

                  134.466911764706

                  152.3958333333

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                  ftw melvin
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #16

                  I'd lose everything after the second decimal place for readability if you are going to post it. Interesting calculation, as a rule of thumb you are saying $1000 ~= 80c an hour. Converting this into English, if Joe Senior Dev earned around £40,000 per year they should only consider resuming contracting, after say six year's permanent frustration, if they were happy you could get £32 per hour consistently. I think you've made my Joe's mind up!

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                  • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                    I am thinking about putting this on my blog for the aid of the community at large but figured I would post here to see just how of base I really am. The basis for this is the continued series of questions I see asked and get asked which amounts to "What should I charge?". Just look up the annual salary you think you are worth with benefits and then look at the rate you should charge. (The rates include such things as benefits, PTO, Holidays, Marketing, Etc. But DO NOT INCLUDE travel expenses)

                    Fulltime USD Per Annum

                    Consulting Rate (6 month contracts)/hr

                    Consulting Rate (No Contract)/hr

                    20000

                    16.2990196078431

                    18.4722222222222

                    25000

                    20.3737745098039

                    23.0902777777778

                    30000

                    24.4485294117647

                    27.7083333333333

                    35000

                    28.5232843137255

                    32.3263888888889

                    40000

                    32.5980392156863

                    36.9444444444444

                    45000

                    36.6727941176471

                    41.5625

                    50000

                    40.7475490196078

                    46.1805555555556

                    55000

                    44.8223039215686

                    50.7986111111111

                    65000

                    52.9718137254902

                    60.0347222222222

                    70000

                    57.046568627451

                    64.6527777777778

                    85000

                    69.2708333333333

                    78.5069444444444

                    90000

                    73.3455882352941

                    83.125

                    95000

                    77.4203431372549

                    87.7430555555556

                    100000

                    81.4950980392157

                    92.3611111111111

                    105000

                    85.5698529411765

                    96.9791666666667

                    110000

                    89.6446078431373

                    101.597222222222

                    115000

                    93.719362745098

                    106.215277777778

                    120000

                    97.7941176470588

                    110.833333333333

                    125000

                    101.86887254902

                    115.451388888889

                    130000

                    105.94362745098

                    120.069444444444

                    135000

                    110.018382352941

                    124.6875

                    140000

                    114.093137254902

                    129.305555555556

                    145000

                    118.167892156863

                    133.923611111111

                    150000

                    122.242647058824

                    138.541666666667

                    155000

                    126.317401960784

                    143.159722222222

                    165000

                    134.466911764706

                    152.3958333333

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                    ftw melvin
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #17

                    http://www.contractorcalculator.co.uk/[^]

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                    • F ftw melvin

                      http://www.contractorcalculator.co.uk/[^]

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                      Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #18

                      The results of that calculator are no where near my results. I think mine are more realistic.

                      Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
                      Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway

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                      • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                        The results of that calculator are no where near my results. I think mine are more realistic.

                        Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
                        Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway

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                        ftw melvin
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #19

                        I'm sure yours are well researched, the tax conditions in the UK compared to the USA are quite different which could account for the difference. Just wanted to show you an alternative.

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