C a r l wrote: But 5.0 is shipped with W98 so that doesn't solve the problem. True... I bet the download sizes for both updates (5 -> 5.01 and 5.? -> 6.0) are equally intolerable over a modem. C a r l wrote: I think you're wrong regarding MDAC. I recall the Framework installer telling me to install a recent MDAC before proceeding. I'm pretty sure the redistributable doesn't care either way. I seem to remember the way that we found out about this requirement (a year or two ago) is by installing our app on a fresh test machine that didn't have MDAC 2.6 :) The SDK installer may care, however. C a r l wrote: Anyways, what serious application is not using the System.Data namespace? I dunno - not all serious apps need an actual database backend, do they? To be fair, the ones I work on always do ;) -- Russell Morris "So, broccoli, mother says you're good for me... but I'm afraid I'm no good for you!" - Stewy