"We are ensuring it is handled in accordance with Islamic practice and tradition. It's something we take seriously and therefore it's being handled in an appropriate manner.‬"[^]

Doug Goulden wrote: What would the same people who are criticizing the police using lethal force have said if the man had been carrying a bomb and managed to trigger it because the cops had not stopped him? They'd complain about how easy it should have been to notice that the man had a bomb. What were the cops thinking?! Doug Goulden wrote: What would the same people say if the London police had somehow managed to stop every commuter and subject every person to a search before allowing them to continue on their way? They'd complain about being unnecessarily harassed. Face it, people will always complain. They'd complain if hung with a new rope. "Ideas are a dime a dozen. People who put them into action are priceless." - Unknown

Stan Shannon wrote: If not Marx, than who? Your concerns certainly have no basis in the Jeffersonian ideal, they have no basis in any historic analysis of American values at all. If you recall in "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness..." that "life" comes before liberty. For a guy who values freedom and liberty somehow you don't mind applying some of Marx's policies (as used by communist nations) to keep the population in line. Of course life comes first. But life without liberty is not worth living. The Chinese, North Koreans, and Cubans all have life. And they don't worry about terrorists attacks. Are they better off than we are? Of course not. Stan Shannon wrote: Any one who is willing to tolerate murder because to do otherwise would threaten liberty isn't just stupid, their insane. I never said anything about tolerating murder. In fact, I firmly believe in the death penalty; it's the only way to guarantee hard criminals don't commit additional crimes. We need to handle these terrorists much like we handle all other criminals. Find them, arrest them, investigate where they came from, and kill them all. But in doing so, we should avoid sacrificing our liberties and our way of life -- what separates us from Marxist regimes. Stan Shannon wrote: Do you feel that you are a better American than the members of the "greatest" generation who tolerated the internment of Japanese-Americans? Are you a better American than the WWI generation who allowed Wilson to abuse the rights of German-Americans? Are you a better American than the Civil War generation that allowed Lincoln's administration to lock up anyone who spoke publically against its policies? I think not, and I'm pretty sure that Ol' Ben would not have thought so either. It's a different time. We're not fighting Japan, Germany, or a civil war. Alvaro Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. -- GWB, 1999.

Fact - I did, when I was a teenager. :-O Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer

:) Figured you were baiting, so thought i'd join in. K(arl) wrote: resistance What a beautiful word. Indeed. What a sad world it would be if everyone said and did only what was easy. Shog9 I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...

Pretty much, as far as I can tell from my parents/elders descriptions is has been for quite some time. But to put the spin that the Dems do that they would/should have won if everything was 'clean' is just pure BS. Since it wasn't we can never know for sure. I for one am switching to early balloting as here my state has the one of the best track records for being it handled correctly.

FWIW-- It is my understanding that this sub was going flank speed. Flank speed for this class of sub is classified but is widely held to be greater than 30 knots. 30 knots is the number the Navy always gives for flank speed for all classified craft speeds. Jerry He said this was like painstakingly assembling the first layer of a house of cards, then boasting that the next 15,000 layers were a mere formality.--The Code Book, pp. 331 Toasty0.com The Recipe Project

I agree... I just think this guy was speaking out of turn. In general the US has a pretty good record for antying up when help is needed. I don't think we needed to be mentioned as one of the guys examples. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

Michel Prévost wrote: As per the nuclear threat Iran poses, they are not the only one. I read this week that Pakistan made 5 nuclear tests since the beginning of the year. IMHO, this more of a threat than Iran. Why do we ignore them? There must be a reason, but you may be able to enlighten me on this. I don't think the US is ignoring Pakistan. I think what we are doing is balancing the need to cooperate with them to stop Al Quada and the Taliban and the need to try to limit their aspirations. After 9/11 it seemed like they went quickly from supporting the Taliban to at least attempting to support the US effort to topple them. I tend to think that Musharref (sp?) must have had some pretty serious arm twisting applied to make that happen. He has had several assasination attempts against him and has undoubtedly recieved a lot of pressure to resist cooperating with the US, so on the whole I would say that things have gone pretty well with Pakistan. Could they do more to stop proliferation? Probably so, but with a nation like Pakistan where many of the people have tribal ties and deeply held religous beliefs, its tough to make inroads in changing their culture, look at the mess in most African countries...... Michel Prévost wrote: It is not our job to overthrow the Iranian government. I agree that the West (the US and EU) should allow people who live in Iran to deal with their own affairs so long as they are not endangering others. Iran should have pressure applied to limit their nuclear aspirations and terrorist ties. The balancing act comes in when we have to apply the pressure without causing the population itself to embrace the hardliner's because of their perception of the West being against them. Thats a tough line to walk.... Michel Prévost wrote: On a side note, your president is visiting us today and tomorrow, in the city where I live. I can already imagine my return home tonight, as I have to pass near the place where he's having dinner. My sympathies there, that will really screw up your commute. I think that overall, you might be suprised how close our views on most of these things actually are. Even if I tend to vote Republican, that doesn't make me the brainwashed imbecile that you read about in the media. I support a strong national defense, while keeping in mind that we need to work with people to try to avoid conflict. Sometimes it is necessary to use force, but its never desirable. If more

Marc Clifton wrote: DEHUMANIZED!?!?!? ANYONE THAT USES KIDNAPPING AND BEHEADING AS A TACTIC IS NOT HUMAN!!!!! All they want is for you to get out of their country and leave them alone, is that too much to ask? They don't use smart weapons because they don't have them. On the other hand, if they do have them, would you dare to invade? If you can't stand the beheading, don't set foot there, period.

pseudonym67 wrote: The UN and organisations like it can only work if all parties want it to. Judging by this board and the news I strongly suspect that the Americans dont. I would agree on both counts. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

:laugh::laugh::laugh: "If it's Snowbird season, why can't we shoot them?" - Overheard in a bar in Bullhead City

Doug Goulden wrote: Forget the poor old man image. The guy was a crook at the end, anything that he might have accomplished by pursuing peace was overshadowed by his corruption. But isn't that what the Americans and the Israelis want? A crook controls all finances of the PLO, their movement is going nowhere. No amount of military force can achieve that. You got a lot to thank him for. ;P

My condolences for your loss. Suicide is obviously much worse for those left behind, it makes me angry to see someone who seems to have had so many things to live for to throw it away. I agree with you that people who commit suicide have a much deeper reason, with maybe a single even acting as the "last straw". Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

He is a victim of the US's failed policies This is correct. Not only him, but whole world is victim of US's evil policies:mad: ARSALAN MALIK

Point being: Percentage is a good measure to assess the problems in guarding the ammunition, but bad at assessing the danger of the stuff getting stolen (whole point of my prev post) we are here to help each other get through this thing, whatever it is Vonnegut jr. boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygen

Doug wrote many on the left seem to be more shrill That's logical. First, we are less shameful of our opinions, and next, being generally younger we are still able to shrill :-D;) Fold With Us! "A leader is a man who can adapt principles to circumstances - Georges S. Patton, 1885–1945"

Agreed. Jeff Bogan wrote: This is what I have gleened by reading English speaking Iraqi blogs Do you have some links to share? Jeff Bogan wrote: ignoring mainstream media IMHO, some articles are good. This one[^], for example. Fold With Us! "I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals."