Paul Watson wrote: How are you supposed to show of your 7 meter wide Dodge pickup Paul, you falsely assume I need a reason to drive around. tsk. The question should be, how can I show off my Monster Truck if it's sitting in a parking lot while I'm inside shopping? ;) BW "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

:-D Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)

That's an awesome idea. I'm just trying to think of which bits of campus would be worth viewing. For some reason I've never been offered a glimpse of the server room for microsoft.com/msdn.com (I even promised I wouldn't touch anything). Failing that there's the cafeteria, Nick Hodapp's office, a very, very strange sculpture in building 6 and some carparks. How about a session where you get to be in a locked room with the Office developers (so they can't get out) and you have your selection of foam baseball bats and nerf guns? cheers, Chris Maunder

peterchen wrote: "this is no white ant"..... :rolleyes: Regards, Brian Dela :-)

Daniel Desormeaux wrote: There are smoke detectors that hook up to your electrical system...haven't replaced a smoke detector battery in 15 years... Ah.. Thats just the lazy way out.. sure, it might be safer and all.. but still the lazy way out ;-) ;-P Regards, Brian Dela :-)

Janetta wrote: What is the real definition of a nerd? I don't consider it as an insult. Neither do I, my point is that the person using the word intends to use it as an insult, otherwise they wouldn't say it. nerd also nurd (nûrd) n. Slang A foolish, inept, or unattractive person. A person who is single-minded or accomplished in scientific or technical pursuits but is felt to be socially inept. 8 SIMON WALTON SONORK ID 100.10024

So this is why Chris pointed out that the "rights of use" is tied up in legal, it's a hairy beast with 4 heads. But Chris is right, it needs to be higher up the list, ahead of new features and emoticons, but clearly behind site stability and Chris having a vacation :-D Damn straight, it is nasty. Just look how much trouble the phrase "permit all developers to freely use the code in their own applications". Even though I might argue the literal interpretation, I would bet money it wasn't what Chris intended. But until we get clarification, the literal is the best we have. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture

www.regsoft.com -c To explain Donald Knuth's relevance to computing is like explaining Paul's relevance to the Catholic Church. He isn't God, he isn't the Son of God, but he was sent by God to explain God to the masses.    /. #3848917 image effects!

I use Boxer for Windows. You can customize the syntax highlighting for any language you wish. Plus there are lots of nice extra features built in such as a calculator and ASCII chart. I've been using their editors since the early DOS days. Brigg Thorp Software Engineer Timex Corporation

Mr Morden wrote: "He told me the smoke wasn't from Quebec," said Bush. "He said it was from al Quebec. Damn, those guys are everywhere." :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Jon Sagara "Me fail English? That's unpossible." "Hello Supernintendo Chalmers. I'm lernding." --- Ralph Wiggum ---

... of each article. look there and behold that which you desire. -c Being just contaminates the void.   --Robyn Hitchcock Image Processing - easy, like Sunday morning.

if ya think about it, these are all little things that people break, or loose, so instead of buying another one, they steal it. :bob: Email: theeclypse@hotmail.com   URL: http://www.onyeyiri.co.uk:bob: "What goes up must come down. Ask any system administrator"

Christian Graus wrote: How he thinks he can sue me for quoting him directly is beyond me.    Yep.  That sounds like "Fair Use" to me...! :)    How about a paraphrased quote?  Something along the lines of:       Mostly, the reason people grow-up and move on from VB is to see how things really work.  And then like me they find out that they have limited knowledge, and they are closer to script writers than "programmers". - Someone-that-is-too-stupid-to-realize-how-(s)he-can-benefit-from-this, '02    Just a thought...! :)    Peace! -=- James. "There is nothing worse than being oblivious to the fact that you do not know what you are doing." [Get Check Favorites 1.4 Now!]

At the risk of sounding preachy, I believe that both religious violence and sports-related violence, and any other cause of violence are all results of humanity struggling to find meaning to a universe that lacks God. What I mean is, if God was really in their life there would be no violence. Without God the best purpose they can come up with is rioting because some team lost a stupid game, or blowing themselves up because some religious leader said they would gain a better place in heaven. Just my opinion. :) Why not throw away a dime? I throw away ten pennies all the time.

Christian Graus wrote: I believe safety was listed amongst the conditions of the hypothetical. Yeah, but I think this about as likely as a bug free version of Windows. Christian Graus wrote: Besdies, it couldn't really make me any worse.... You just love making these gross assumptions don't you? ;P Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "He orginally got the Tweezers of Destruction through the scanners but then popped back outside for a smoke." - Chris Maunder 26/03/2002

Thanks Christian, It wasnt that. It turned out to be a silly error. Another place in the code was calling BeginWaitCursor() EndWaitCursor(). Turns out EndWaitCursor() simply resets the cursor to the standard arrow cursor, not to the previous cursor as would be logical.

Don't know. The story just talked about the US case, and just the Justice department one at that. IIRC, there is another being conducted by some US states. Thats probably a whole other story. regards John

I used to write Windows device drivers and could spend day after day with my head in SoftIce and reading hex printouts in bed. Invariably I would end up following lines of assembly out of my driver and up the skirts of some crap application that was meant to adhere to the "standards" (Windows Printing System, WDM etc). What I found was a binary free for all in there. If it's doesn't work - hack it - that's the Windows way 'cause ol' M$ ain't gonna help you out! I saw "accountability" mentioned further up. The accountability just shifts to the next poor bum who has to interface with those apps under the hood. I still use Windows at home as Dreamweaver runs on it and not Linux plus I can play games on Windows. That's what Windows is for, oh and setting up web servers that spam the universe with codered attacks and inundate users inboxes with security bombs. If I want a secure platform that won't crash every five minutes then Linux is the one for me. If I want to play Doom and design a home page then I use Windows! Viva Linux - my reset button ain't got no fingerprints on it!!! Le gach deagh dhurachd

Well, the problem with your example is this: the individual who arranged the terrorist attack did so in a country where such an activity (the planning) is legal. The planned attack is carried out in a country where both the planning and the actual terrorist action is illegal. So you're saying it's OK to prosecute this individual when he enters the US, although his actions (the planning) was carried out in a place where it's perfectly legal. The hard part here is that since your individual did not participate personally in the terrorist act, he hasn't directly been involved in an illegal activity on US soil. But he did have a strong hand in making it happen. So did he break US law on US soil or not? Another example is this: In some states in the US it was once illegal to have oral sex (I don't know if it's still the case, I'm not US). Should this mean that if you had oral sex back home in Libya then it would be OK for the US authorities to arrest you when you enter US? I think the big question in the OP was whether the Russion guy had broken US law while he was in the US - such as giving a speak explaining how to circumvent the security. Selling the program via the net should in my opinion not in itself be illegal, as the trading was done in a country where it's legal. The customer in US ordering the software in Russia is actually the importer of the product (even though he's only importing it to himself), and thus the customer is breaking US law, not the programmer. Just my $0.02. Hope I didn't get it all wrong. Cheers Steen. "To claim that computer games influence children is rediculous. If Pacman had influenced children born in the 80'ies we would see a lot of youngsters running around in dark rooms eating pills while listening to monotonous music"